Hot stove & links for the week of 11-24-2014 to 12-1-2014

November 29, 2014
My apologies for the delay in the news, but I was holidaying things up down here in very sunny So Cal. Some of the news will be a few days old.

9:59 a.m.
– The A’s and White Sox are discussing a trade for JEFF SAMARDZIJA
– The A’s have traded JOSH DONALDSON to the Blue Jays for BRETT LAWRIE and three prospects. Happy Thanksgiving, A’s fans!


November 26, 2014

8:07 a.m.
– Per Jon Heyman, CHASE HEADLEY is exploring his options in the open market as the Yankees are only willing to offer him 3 years.


November 25, 2014

11:59 a.m.
– Per Jon Bowman, JON LESTER is scheduled to meet with the SF Giants next week.
– Per multiple sources, TIM FLANNERY has left his position as 3rd base coach for the SF Giants.
– Per multiple sources, DAISUKE MATSUZAKA will be playing in Japan next year.
😭 From Bob Nightengale, Giants’ Bochy and Flannery ‘like an ol’ married couple’

7:17 a.m.
– The Phillies have signed IF CHRIS NELSON.
– Per Jon Heyman, PABLO SANDOVAL had gotten a better deal with both the Poodres and the SF Giants.
🎯 From Ken Rosenthal, Red Sox splurge looks a lot like the last one that didn’t work


November 24, 2014

6:18 a.m.
– Although still unconfirmed, it appears that PABLO SANDOVAL is headed to Boston in a deal close to $100m (reported by JON HEYMAN). Per Ken Rosenthal, the SF Giants may now be in play for JON LESTER.


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24 Responses to Hot stove & links for the week of 11-24-2014 to 12-1-2014

  1. xoot says:

    Lester’s nearly as tough as MadBum. Good move, if they can make it.

    • annapirhana says:

      Yeah…I’m hoping this is true.

      As to Panda, I had this impression that he was gone once they could not sign him in the pre-season. Throwing the word “respect” around alluded to the discontent of those negotiations, I believe, when Panda wanted Pence money. I am fine with him being gone, if it is all true. We’ve platooned positions forever, it seems, and the Giants will find a more logical fit.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        And as Bobby Evans revealed this morning, the Giants offered a dollar for dollar match … and now KNBR (Hank Schulman) is reporting there was a Giants 6th year option offered to Pablo. So, if Pablo bolts, it appears to be less about the money now and possibly more about Pablo’s [pipe?] dream for ‘greener pastures’.

  2. datswhatsup says:

    I stand by the Giants signing who they really want. It seems strange to pay Tomas $100M and not Pablo. It smells as if BS just got to the point where he said “no thanks”. You often don’t know where that point is until you reach it.

    I cannot believe $10M over 5 years made the deal too rich for SF (they knowingly overpaid TL because they wanted him and perhaps wanted to send a message to other players).

    Good for Pablo, great Giant and fun to watch. 3 Rings and personal awards–maybe only place to go was down? Boston Loves Ortiz, perhaps Pablo (who like many players has an ego to feed) sees the chance to be The Man in Boston fans’ hearts once Ortiz is gone (Pedroia is a chapass) and that was never going to happen here with Posey, Bumgarner, Pence, et al .

    It was Pablo’s time to get The Contract and $90M is a lot of dough, but $100M is $10M more. $10M is $10M.

    Two middle of the order holes to fill and one at 3B. Wonder what Plan B will be?

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      I’m hoping Plan B might include a strong addition to the rotation (Lester of Fister sound about right – fun – to me), an OF (my preference is for one who can play CF), who wields a big bat – to fill in for Pablo’s absence in the LU, and a solid, defensive-oriented 3rd baseman (at perhaps less than half the price than Pablo).

  3. dirtnrocksnomo says:

    I like Sandoval but I don’t think he’s worht the $100M. That money can be better spent on an arm and an outfielder no?

    • annapirhana says:

      I, too, love Panda. Even bought a Panda hat that has been sitting on top of a lamp for the past 4 years. But at the tune of $100m? I was hesitant at $95m. I bet we can get Chase Headley for cheaper, and he knows NL West pitching. Plus, always loved his hustle.

      Upgrading pitching, bullpen and OF are definite priorities. If the Giants claim that 3B was not the main issue for the team, I’ll believe them.

      • dirtnrocksnomo says:

        To me, it is a weird choice that he’s making as I think both have teams have great fans, a great city, great yard and are on parallel paths as far as competing for post season births.

        It will be tough to explain to my daughter. She loves that Panda hat. 😦

        • annapirhana says:

          Bobby Evans says that Panda liked Boston because he liked the idea of DH. Sounds like he wants to eat, kick back and relax…which is never good in baseball. I wish him very well, because the idea that he could be boo’d by the BoSox fan base makes me very sad.

          • shoelessinbearvalley says:

            And he will never find a personally more amenable manager than Bochy. I could be wrong (I usually am), but I suspect a rude awakening is in store for Pablo in Boston. And as Schulman reminded this morning, “his comments after the World Series that he wanted to be a Giant for life were [have proven] hollow.”

            • annapirhana says:

              I think that’s the part that I could have been avoided. The whole speech about wanting to spend his entire career here was purely bogus, and it pains me to know that he is too stupid to understand this. Whatever disrespect he might have felt from the ownership has nothing to do with the fan base that has been loyal to him. Now, it frustrates me to read about DirtnRock’s daughter, my poor niece who shares a similar Panda hat dilemma and other Giants fans who are expressing their hurt over Panda’s intentions. Yes, this is a business. Yes, he should have made the best deal for him. But that doesn’t mean that I have ever recovered from having Chris Speier leave the SF Giants a long time ago.

              This is that moment when small children and adults learn that there really is no Santa Claus. There won’t be that present he promised under your tree. Perhaps not so dramatic, but it’s time to move on, yeah?

              • shoelessinbearvalley says:

                Nicely put. The morning after, I find myself surprisingly disappointed (a little depressed_ in the whole protracted nature of the poopy process … but, at least Pablo didn’t do what Uribe or Wilson did and go play for Shel’s dastardly Dodgers!

                And, Pablo may find that playing on the same team as Hanley Ramirez won’t be the same as playing with great team players like Pence and other Giants.

          • xoot says:

            I’m lucky. My kids are old enough to dump the panda stuff and move on. The recent WS swag can take Pablo’s place on the baseball shelf. As to Sandoval himself, I have to believe the Giants’ hard-line weight-loss rules pissed him off. Bochy benched him in the 2010 PS and the Giants threatened him from that point on and bought out his arbitration years at less than 1/2 they paid Lincecum. On the other hand, I also think the discipline the Giants imposed contributed to his revival after 2010. And I wonder about his eyesight. The Lasik surgery didn’t seem to help him from the RH side this season.

            So I don’t fault the Giants or Pablo now. They both had good reasons.

  4. dirtnrocksnomo says:


    Thanks for the word on my little one. I broke the news to her on the ride home last night and she was bummed. “they wouldn’t even have won without him.” I try to look at the upside. My efforts to steer her towards being a baseball fan have been successful.

    Sure I am bummed but I think it is better for the club in the long run. Get someone strong defensively that won’t embarrass themselves at the plate. Bring back Morse and get one of Sherzer, Shields or Lester and the club can get after it next year.

  5. datswhatsup says:

    Thanks Pablo and good luck, you were a great Giant.

    Based on zero facts and even less insight, I sense it was time for Pablo to move on. BS was strangely silent, Evans was the face of the Giants while BS was mute. I think as good as Pablo has been, BS was not comfortable with Pablo being in shape and focused for 5 years after cashing in.

    Pablo’s reps were unprofessional and it’s funny how the 3yrs $40M was a hot topic, but the 5yrs $80M before the season was never mentioned. MLB FA is such that even terrible agents can’t prevent a guy from getting market value.

    I get Pablo wanting something new, there really is only one way to go from here, so why not enjoy what will be a honeymoon in Boston–a park that will inflate his numbers.

    I am not a big fan of the mega contracts for Lester & Scherzer. It seems the fragile nature of pitchers make that commitment very risky (Dice K, CC Sab, Verlander, Halliday, Tanaka etc.). Maybe with TL’s & Hudson’s $28M coming off the books after 2015 SF is trying to add a third quality SP to deal with LA in the future by acting in this unusually rich FA SP market.

    Much talk of Cain’s elbow surgery, but it’s not like it was TJ, it was clean up. SPs 3 & 4 are the question mark because Hudson or TL can be a solid to great #5, but Hudson, TL & Petit are not sure things at #3 or #4.

    I hope they don’t sign Peavy–too many years for a guy who was so brutal in the post season save one start. I would prefer Ervin Santana.

    Tomas is a sexy pick especially with the success of other Cuban players of late, but man that’s a lot of dough ($100M) on a guys who has never played pro ball in the States.

    Pagan & Cain already make 2015 roster better than the ending 2014 roster, getting a true LF would be awesome, but Tomas at 3B, Morse in LF (playing 75% of the time may help is health) and a rotation of Madbum, Cain, Santana, Hudson, TL with Petit in the wings not too shabby

    Pagan, Panick, Posey, Belt, Pence, Tomas, Morse, Crawford

    Off season dreaming….

  6. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Hey Dats, good looking lineup!

    Giants fans like me doubtless got a bit spoiled, having Cain, Lincecum, and Bumgarner all come up from the farm system. Lengthy contracts of any kind give me a bit of the willies.

    So, I was at first unrealistically hoping the Giants could resign Pablo to a more cautious 3-4 year contract (no doubt for more money). And that’s when I realized, from reading an explanation on the net how one could argue that longer contracts are really based more on early contract year player production, while conceding the last part of any lengthy contract is almost invariably a bust.

    Even with that said, I prefer something like what Tim Lincecum (or even Tim Hudson) got over two years, as opposed to spreading their deals out over, say, 5 years. Pay more today, perhaps, but shorten the contract time, allowing more flexibility to move in a different direction in the not so distant future.

    I admit understanding the nature of contract negotiations and all the wheeling and dealing that must go on is beyond my limited knowledge of the game.

    But, while I experienced a bit of a let down when Pablo, who was brought up through the Giants organization and even as late as the parade acknowledged a ‘heartfelt’ desire to remain a Giant for life, the Giants organization now has a chance to shore up its pitching and LF while adding a still competent 3rd baseman like, perhaps, Chase Headley, who Anna has already endorsed as well.

    Lastly, I know it’s probably unrealistic, but I wish the Giants could find a way to hold onto Morse – but, he likely looks destined for the AL – he can still be one heck of a DH.

  7. xoot says:

    Tomas to AZ, 6 yrs at about $11M per? Wow. That surprised me. 6 years seems like a long term for a Cuban not named Abreu or Aroldis. (See Puig [7 yrs, I believe–and won’t it be grand]; see also the other Cubans earning millions in the dodgers minor league system.) The Giants certainly wouldn’t go for that. But Lester’s a different chance–he’s a big, strong LH who throws 200+ innings every year. And, generally, he has improved over the years. MadBum, Cain, Lester, Hudson–that’d be a helluva front 4. Let Lincecum come roaring back and . . . .

    Yeah, yeah. But I still think Lester’s worth the gamble.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Yikes! that was quick. Tamas to AZ for 6 years … only Las Vegas oddsmakers are sure to make a bundle on this high stakes roll of the dice by AZ’s front office.


      Larry Kruger made a ‘well-reasoned’ argument this morning that the Giants should bring Melky Cabrera back to play LF. I presumed that the front office had heretofore dismissed any future return ticket for Melky, given his lack of ‘candor’ (code for “lying”) over his illicit drug use. But, perhaps, Time heals all white lies? I’d at least entertain the possibility of inviting Melky to the city for a day’s chat.

      • xoot says:

        Losing Melky in 2012–now there’s a memory that begs to be repressed. But didn’t the event somewhat resemble the loss of Pablo? I remember marveling at the Milkman’s skills during the first half of the season. He tracked down drives and fly balls in the corner and in the bullpen nobody else could get to. He sprayed hits all over the field. Fans loved him. Then he was gone. And the Giants went on to sweep Los Tigres in the WS.

        I certainly hope the Giants don’t consider Melky now. Move on. I realize that the team needs a 3B and a LF. But there’s a lot of time left between now and ST.

        • shoelessinbearvalley says:

          I believe you speak for for almost all Giants fans. No way would SF fans applaud his return after he broke SF fans’ hearts, especially his two most dedicated group of Melkmaids and Melkmen. The sports radio team of Krueger and Radnich thrive on controversy for controversy’s sake alone. Most of what they say during their talk show should be discarded like lightly-clumping, used-up kitty litter.

  8. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    “Sandoval, too, will be all smiles. He will talk about how he wants a new challenge, pay tribute to Red Sox Nation, promise to remain in peak condition. Like Ramirez, the Panda will be all soft and cuddly. And like Ramirez, he must now deal with the weight of a new contract, a change in leagues and a fan base that is more demanding than the one he previously experienced.

    “Giants fans loved Sandoval because he was homegrown and because he played a major role for two World Series champions and contributed to a third. Think Red Sox fans care? They will judge Sandoval only by how he performs in Boston. And his regular-season OPS has declined three straight years.”

    Rosenthal pretty much nails the sentiments of a number of Giants fans, following Pablo’s departure for redder pastures. I am not educated on the success of the Red Sox farm system (is there even one!), but Boston ownership appears to run their club more like the neo-cons and Bush Administration, who backed the war in Iraq, employing more mercenary soldiers ( hired “contractors”) than actual volunteer enlistees of the U.S. military.

    • annapirhana says:

      Since his departure, and because of the method of departure, Pablo Sandoval news is something I pretty much ignore. I refuse to expend any emotion on him, especially after that “…wanting to retire…” speech. Should I hear a sample, a snippet or piece of quote from Sandoval, this will be what I hear:

  9. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    ha! ha! yeah, that’s a classic … Panda goes over to the Far Side (and likely not as bright as Ginger either).

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