Hot stove, links & kitchen sink for the week of 11-17-2014 to 11-24-2014

November 21, 2014
3:30 p.m.
– Finalists for the Rays’ open managerial position are RAUL IBANEZ, DON WAKAMATSU and KEVIN CASH.

9:04 a.m.
– Per multiple sources, the Braves are shopping JUSTIN UPTON.

8:00 a.m.
– Per multiple sources, the Poodres have entered the PABLO SANDOVAL race with a flourish, offering a contract in the $90m range. They are also one of the favorites in the YASMANY TOMAS derby. Is the O’Malley magic finally showing its hand?
– Per multiple sources, the Dodgers acquired LHP ADAM LIBERATORE & RHP JOEL PERALTA from the Tampa Bay Rays in exchange for RHP JOSE DOMINGUEZ & GREG HARRIS.

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November 20, 2014
12:27 p.m.
– The White Sox have made a series of moves. Highlights (non-minor) include claiming LHP ONELKI GARCIA from the Dodgers and designating our favorite MIA pitcher RONALD BELLISARIO for assignment.

9:12 a.m.
– Per Bob Nightengale (USA Today) the Nats are informing clubs that P JORDAN ZIMMERMAN will be available at the right price. They may also be willing to part with DOUG FISTER, who has a year remaining on his contract.

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November 19, 2014
2:00 p.m.
💰 Sad story from philly.com, The family legal fight over Ryan Howard’s finances

1:33 p.m.
🙈 From AP News, Judge threatens Roger Clemens with contempt
😭 Per Joel Stiglich, Billy Butler on MadBum and the World Series loss: “I didn’t think it was possible for 1 person to single-handedly win it for a team.” I bet he loved MadBum’s timely at bats.

12:51 p.m.
– The Red Sox have claimed JUAN FRANCISCO off waivers from the Blue Jays.

SF GIANTS NEWS
11:28 a.m.
– MLB insiders and Sandoval’s own agent seems to say that the previous assumption that the SF Giants are out of the running are false. At this point, it’s becoming Lebron Watch. Who needs that? I’ll just post something when there is an actual confirmation of a signing. Until then, we have this:

10:40 a.m.
– Per multiple sources, PABLO SANDOVAL has rejected the SF Giants contract offer and is 90% likely to sign with the Red Sox. Apparently, San Francisco was never going to be considered after the Giants stopped talks at the beginning of the season.

8:38 a.m.
– Per others, there has been no official offer from the BoSox to PABLO SANDOVAL.

8:19 a.m.
😭 From USA Today, Free agent Pablo Sandoval on trip to Boston: ‘I love being here’

7:06 a.m.
– Per Ken Rosenthal, PABLO SANDOVAL‘s agent plan on calling the team today. The BoSox have an offer on the table with the Panda.
– Per Buster Olney, TIM HUDSON is “pretty sure” he will retire after the 2015 season.

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November 18, 2014
8:23 p.m.
– Per multiple sources, the A’s have signed BILLY BUTLER to a 3 yr./$30m contract.

2:10 p.m.
– Per multiple sources, the Orioles have signed RHP OLIVER DRAKE to a major league contract.

1:47 p.m.
– Per multiple sources, the Indians are looking to trade NICK SWISHER.

12:15 a.m.
– Per multiple sources, the Giants have a 5-yr/$90m deal on the table for PABLO SANDOVAL.

11:51 a.m.
– Per multiple sources, the Marlins are interested in ADAM LAROCHE.

10:14 a.m.
💔 From NYTimes Sports, N.F.L. Was Family, Until Wives Reported Domestic Abuse

9:38 a.m.
– Per Paul Hoynes (cleveland.com), the Indians have signed SHAUN MARCUM and DUSTIN MOLLEKEN to minor league deals with big league invites.
– Per multiple sources, the Dodgers are interested in pursuing ALEXEI RAMIREZ.
– Per multiple sources, the White Sox have signed P ZACH DUKE.
💩 From the Denver Post, What is Troy Tulowitzki’s trade value? A look at his 2014 Rockies grade
🐾 From AZ Central, Diamondbacks tab Ed Lewis to head analytics department

7:41 a.m.
– Per Buster Olney, PABLO SANDOVAL‘s brother says that his brother is “…looking for respect…” Bye Giants?
– P JON LESTER to meet with the Braves this week.
👌 From ActaSports, Is Madison Bumgarner the World’s #1 Starting Pitcher?
🐼 From the Boston Herald, Pablo Sandoval tour hits Boston

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November 17, 2014
2:06 p.m.
PABLO SANDOVAL is in Boston to meet the Red Sox. Claims to be “excited”.
poston

11:24 a.m.
😭 From the NY Times, As Bud Selig Prepares Exit, Roger Clemens Case Sticks Around

9:14 a.m.
– The Cards send P SHELBY MILLER to the Braves in exchange for OF JASON HEYWARD and P JORDAN WALDEN.
– Per multiple sources, C RUSSELL MARTIN has landed in Toronto with a hefty 5 year/$82m deal.

6:43 a.m.
– Per Mike Berardino (St. Paul Pioneer Press), the Phillies have signed RHP PJ WALTERS and DANNI MASTROIANNI.

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31 Responses to Hot stove, links & kitchen sink for the week of 11-17-2014 to 11-24-2014

  1. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    While many a Giants fan experiences the continuing, drawn out torture of the Pablo Negotiations, now moving its show to Boston, the following horrible – I mean hideously bad – video should garner me permanently banned status at JDR …

  2. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    As to, “who’s the World’s #1 starting pitcher?,” I’d begin by asking the question to be brought down to earth by confining the question to the MLB … not the world – because, I hate to pretend I know the world market let alone speak for it. (see Anna’s link, http://w8ww.actasports.com/stats_detail/?StatId=423)

    Okay. Now it’s safe to provide a ready answer:

    Madison Bumgarner*

    *Based on a completely biased, unapologetic Giants fans point of view. 🙂

  3. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    ha! ha! … good health tip – for having a bad case of D, the key is to try and stay cheerful … and repeat ….

  4. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    “Per multiple sources, the Giants have a 5-yr/$90m deal on the table for PABLO SANDOVAL.”

    At this point, a realistic and fair offer.

    Because, Pablo’s agent asked for a Pence-like deal at the start of the year, and the Giants are now meeting it. exact.y. no more. no less.

    I have to believe, however, that the Sox have put a larger offer on the table. Will more money / years win over Pablo’s heart in the end? We’ll soon find out.

    • annapirhana says:

      I read that the BoSox have discussed similar money. Now that Panda’s agent is going to speak to the SF Giants, perhaps the Panda entourage was just CC Sabathia’ing the team to counter what the BoSox have offered.

      Prior to Billy Butler’s deal, I thought Panda’s contract offer was generous. In the regular season, he tends to become dysfunctional with his fluctuating weight and non-performance. I still remember him being benched for poor performance. But now that the A’s have poured ridiculous money into Butler’s pocket – not to mention Giancarlo Stanton’s new monster contract, Panda’s contract seems pretty spot on.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        My sentiments exactly. I just wouldn’t post something so honest back at the Gate, lest I incur the wrath of being called a “Pablo Hater!” 😉

        • annapirhana says:

          Yeesh. Well, I guess some of us remember more of the team beyond the October performance.

          Panda does have other assets that I love. He is amiable and very affable towards the fans. In between pitches, he diverts his attentions to the stands, or at least he does in San Diego. I remember someone mentioning that Panda saw fans as friends. Not sure if he still thinks that way.

          • shoelessinbearvalley says:

            All excellent points (and reminders). I’m taking a day’s break to drive down to Sonora to see “Interstellar” and pick up a few last minute winter food stock. I was wondering if I might get your permission to post – anonymously – your post above, outlining, ” Panda’s contract seems pretty spot on?”

            I’ll check back early this evening! nice to see JDR back up and running on the web. Thanks, Anna, for keeping us abreast of all the latest off-season developments.

            • shoelessinbearvalley says:

              Oh, I meant to say … Post at the Gate – with the sole qualifier of “another True Giants fan” (or some such). I’d like to challenge the Giants homer, who keeps calling out even Giants fans as “Pablo Haters” – simply because we might not all see his ‘unlimited’ monetary value to the team.

                • shoelessinbearvalley says:

                  Thanks, Anna. I got back too late tonight. Interstellar was almost 3 hours long and packs both a visual and emotional wallop – from quantum mechanics, relativity, and striving to grapple with the mysteries of gravity (all those PBS / Nova / Fabric of the Cosmos series seem to come back for a Hollywood blockbuster review of astrophysics, etc.) to the overpowering – rather cosmic – love between father and daughter, Interstellar is an ambitious exercise than perhaps even Stanley Kubrick might appreciate.

                  In any case, I will re-post your straight and true reflections regarding Pablo tomorrow at the Gate with the hope of demonstrating that there are Giants fans who are far from being “Pablo Haters” and yet wouldn’t so foolishly sell the farm to keep him at, say, the expense of failing to add a bona fide #4 starter to the rotation / a CF veteran backup / starter (moving Pagan to LF where he may hold up better / stay off the DL longer), and possibly another setup reliever in case Romo moves on.

  5. xoot says:

    I agree with you both. I have greatly enjoyed Pablo’s years as a Giant, and would love to see him stay. But it’s not really that simple. I stopped by baseball-ref to look as some of his stats and noticed this: Pablo’s salary this year was $8.25 million. I understand the market says he deserves a raise and some guaranteed years. Well, the Giants are offering to double the money and guarantee it through 5. That’s a fine offer, from a top organization in a great city with great fans and a great ballpark–and he knows damn good and well all that is true. If Pablo can’t go for that package, vaya con dios, amigo.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Yes, resigned myself to the same observation and conclusion, xoot. If he bolts for Boston (for more money / years), then his heart may not be quite so big as his fans have long imagined. OTOH, if I were a betting man (which I’m not), I’d bet on Pablo staying, especially now that it appears his latest offer will match Pence’s.

    • datswhatsup says:

      I hope they sign Sandoval, but the posts about taking less to stay in SF to avoid Boston turning on him vs SF fans always loving him can be answered in two words: Aubrey Huff.

      Guy went from not being able to buy his own drink in this town to a guy who might not get peed on if he was on fire. Granted much was his fault (out of shape) but SF fans turned quickly.

      That being said SF fans are mix of passionate and loyal not seen outside of StL but $10M is still $10M when you saw the Huff thing close up.

      Talk about Posey at 3B is risky. Look up his fielding % at SS at FSU. And that’s with homer student scorekeepers. Like “Rudy” the story of his move from SS to C is awesome but maybe padded a bit, dig a little and it might have been a little bit of he can’t play SS than folks let on.

      Posey to 3B, Susac to C and a new LF means that Susac and the new LF will need to hit in the middle of the order and hit .280, 16 HR and OPS near .800 to stay even with Panda & Morse in 2014. That’s a tall order for Susac and “Mr. X”.

      It ain’t that easy.

      X you stood by TL, and I believe you were right. Sure Santana would have been better, but many of the other options were worse so it was a crap shoot and BS went with what he knew. He over paid. And every player on SF and every free agent saw it–SF takes care of it true players.

      Panda is known, Tomas is a huge gamble. If both want $100M, I’d go with what they know.

      • annapirhana says:

        I don’t live in SF anymore so never knew that people turned on Huff, even after watching all the games on TV. I suspect that people may do that to Panda, although it would be more likely in Boston. We only had a year to know Huff before he got that big contract, whereas Panda and his consistency to be inconsistent and weighty have been part of our universe since his first year.

        I do not suspect, however, that Sandoval would be swayed by fan opinion or reaction, one way or the other. This is his big payday, and he is going to go for it. I just want it to be over with, one way or the other, so the Giants can get on to look towards meeting our pitching and OF needs for the next year.

        • shoelessinbearvalley says:

          Fan love is fickle, to be sure. Huff is a perfect example. I ‘loved’ Brian Wilson, even after he chose to move on to LA; but such a love (built around a powerful appreciation for his terrific mental toughness and what he gave to the team in 2010 alone), too, observably has entirely wilted over time.

          I too supported TL’s resigning (I thought it slightly unusual at the time, if also marginaly humble, to ask for a shortened 2 year contract – hence, the higher yearly cost – instead of a longer, guaranteed deal … like Pablo, of course, is demanding now). Even so, Tim could still turn it around this year (that’s how stubborn I am to give up on him), but regardless, you’re spot on, datswhats, that the Giants organization go the extra distance to first and foremost try and take care of its own – It’s a far stronger organization because of such a policy.

          So, the idea that Pablo’s brother now reportedly claims, that Sandoval is seeking “respect,” strikes me as incongruous to how Bochy, Sabean, or whoever in the organization may not command Pablo’s “respect”. this all sounds more like the “writing on the wall” this morning to me.

          It’s not going to be possible to “replace” Pablo. I don’t see Posey, either, playing 3B – especially since he is becoming a MVP type catcher behind the plate (not so much this year or in the playoffs, perhaps, with his bat, but certainly his improved pitch-calling and maturing presence behind the plate. But, the season once more – like in 2013 – took a toll on Posey’s stamina, despite coming to ST, having reportedly worked out and conditioned himself more in the off-season, and Bochy still trying to find ways to get him out of the crouch regularly during the regular season.

          So, who can play 3B … if not Sandoval? I don’t know. So, yeah, I would have preferred the Giants somehow woo him and resign him – without giving up on what Anna sees as the Giants most critical need in 2015: Pitching and OF (I would like to see a legit CF addition to the team … which would afford Bochy a lot more options, including trying Pagan out in LF – with Blanco / Morse / Perez as backup to such a scheme).

          • annapirhana says:

            Fan response to Wilson had more to do with the scramble on words – Wilson says the Giants never offered anything while the Giants claim they did. I guess we found out the truth in character on the last day of the 2013 season, when Wilson made a public show of screaming at Baer during Timmy’s little celebration.

            The “respect” aspect of Panda is what intrigues me. Were they upset with the demand to lose weight or the benching? I did watch a bit of Henry Schulman on some MLB hot stove show this morning, and he mentioned that Panda has a huge ego. I could see how demands to lose weight or the benching could crush him, but I don’t think it would be wrong for any organization to ask a player that young in age to lose the heft. When Prince Fielder was on the market mid-season a few years back, I remember Sabean saying something about already having too many of “that body type” with both Panda and Uribe on the roster.

            To be honest, I also think that Panda should have sought better representation. This whole thing has been too messy, with the phony — if it was that — releases and riddles. You’re not playing with the Director of Human Resources at a mid-line company here, and we’re now made to assume that the Giants org has been suspect in its dealing with Panda. Every player looks for respect, ya know? But this begins to sound like those players who have “consulted with God” and “rested upon God’s grace in making a decision” when they simply went for the largest contract. I have no respect for people like that, who just have to mince words when all they really had to say was, “I want money.”

            As to a future 3rd baseman in a Panda-less world, yeah…we’d be up a creek. But next year is an odd year, so we’re not going to win anyway. At least this gives us time to look, amirite? hehe

            • shoelessinbearvalley says:

              ha! ha! … 2015, of course, will begin with the shortened off-season rest and recovery time followed by another retooling / reboot for another run at the 2016 World Cup … err, I mean, World Series.

  6. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Jordan Zimmerman has $16,500,000 million thru next year (FA in 2016). At 29 (next year), he would be strong addition to the Giants rotation. Doug Fister is Arb Eligible again for 2015 and will turn 31 in February. Correct me if I’m mistaken, but going after Zimmerman (a great pickup!) would likely require Sabean to not only fulfill the remaining 1 year on his contract, but key player(s) as well; whereas, Fister might actually prove doable for money alone.

    Either way, adding a Zimmerman or Fister to the Giants starting rotation would be a huge move – bigger than resigning Pablo, I suspect (although, I confess, I’m now holding out more hope that the Giants will resign Sandoval after hearing Mike Krukow’s inspired pep talk this morning on the Murph & Mac program.

    • annapirhana says:

      I think Fister grew up a Giants fan, no? He is a local boy, if I remember those WS facts of 2012 correctly. What if we picked up Fister and Zimmerman?

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        ooooh! Like an intrepid captain of the Starship Enterprise, your off season negotiation stratagem goes boldly where few general managers likely dare to venture. 😀

        Your deal would rock an entire MLB planet off its off-season axis.

        But, what I can’t calculate is just who the Giants would be willing to part with for Zimmerman; and even then, the Giants would have to deal with his FA in 2016.

        Of course, once the Pablo dust bowl storm settles (a KPIX contrived tempest in a T-pot?), the Giants will have to address the Peavy and Vogelsong questions. And, hopefully, Zimmerman and Fister will fit into the coming number crunchings and what-has-Sabean-to-give-up calculations. And, despite all the Pandamonium, pitching is still the bigger deal(s) that has to get done. Oh, and how about a CF … and since Christmas is just around the coming snowbend, I’d like a WondeBoy bat, signed by stand in for Robert Redford, Michael Morse.

        (I’m still probably one of the few, who hopes the Giants can find a way to resign Morse – probably not realistic, but until he’s gone, I’d like to see his bat still available.)

        • annapirhana says:

          Well, I can have my pitching fantasy!!! Realistically after this year, I’m beginning to wonder if it really matters who goes where so long as they aren’t a lay about and idiotic.

          Torii Hunter’s name has been bandied about, and there is a part of me that would delight in having a homophobe in San Francisco. He would learn something being here that goes beyond baseball. On the other hand, no.

          I’d like for them to re-sign Morse, too. He is delightful in the way he plays, with that infectious enthusiasm. But man, that slump streak was something else. TBH, I’d like more of a spray hitter with some speed. Another Hunter Pence, ya know? Or maybe Cespedes, just to make some people really really mad. That, alone, might be worthwhile.

          Pitching, I don’t want to see Peavy return. Vogey, yeah…I don’t mind him at all. He’d be a good 4th or 5th starter. But we’d have to have another really solid pitcher before him so that we can allow Tim Lincecum to return to his Cy Young form. Yeah, I TOTALLY WENT THERE.

          If the Giants cannot re-sign Panda, I think they should seriously go after Chase Headley. I’ve always liked him. The one thing I don’t want is for Panda to end up in San Diego, because he pretty much damages that ballpark. I just went off track here.

        • annapirhana says:

          Or how about this stupid idea? The Phillies have an albatross of a payroll problem. We can send Joaquin Arias and craft beers to be named later to the Phillies for Chase Utley. Move Panik to third. Voila.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      edit: … would require Sabean to “[give up] key player(s) …”

  7. xoot says:

    Great stuff. Nice to see Dats back. I’d love to know how the brain trust surveys the future. Soft pedal for 2015 and kick it again in 2016? I don’t know. The only starter who maxed out this season was Bumgarner at 217 IP and the legendary PS. Hudson at 189 IP and not as much as we would’ve liked in the PS should be fairly fresh for a guy looking at retirement. Vogelsong? He needs his rest. And of course never give up on Lincecum. But if Cain comes back strong, 2015 won’t be a normal follow-up to a long PS year. The rotation could be surprisingly good.

    I agree that Headley would be a reasonable replacement for Pablo–solid all around. And I agree that Posey will not play 3B. 1B? He’s getting better over there all the time. But not 3B. I bet he’ll catch for a few more years. So 3B is a hole, LF is still in flux, the pen was not exactly lights out down the stretch and in the PS, and Pagan’s back may not be back. As usual, I guess, we’ll watch and learn as they build the 2015 team. Earlier this year 2B was a horrible hole. Now look.

    Somehow I just don’t see Pablo returning. I think it’ll be his mistake.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      I agree that the labored nature of the negotiations – and, Pablo’s bro didn’t help and may provide the biggest clue as to why Pablo won’t be returning, because only money may afford him the “respect” he seeks – but, after hearing how Krukow remains very optimistic, I at least for now hold out hope that Pablo will see his best fit remains with Bochy and the Giants and all his Panda fans.

      If Pablo bolts for ‘greener’ pastures, it may well will prove a regrettable miscalculation for him in less than a year’s time. Either way, I have to wish him the best.

      • xoot says:

        Like Cain and Lincecum, Pablo joined the team during the down years and made the seasons exciting, the future bright. It’s impossible to imagine 2010 and 2012 occurring without those pitchers, or 2012 and 2014 without Pablo. On the other hand, the over-sized “Pandoval” t-shirt my kid bought back in 2009 doesn’t fit any more; even the ink on an autographed baseball (indecipherable sig & the number “48”) has faded. (God damn tempus fugit, doesn’t it?) Anyway, if he leaves now, Pablo will return eventually–just as Will Clark and Jeff Kent did. Best to him, indeed.

        • annapirhana says:

          The Giants were able to nab its players — even Timmy — without going through this circuitous route of waiting and bait from other teams. When they want something, they will pursue it. I was under the impression that the Giants were reluctant to sign Panda before the season began because of the aggressive agents or something. I bet that is still looming, because I don’t see a group filled with billionaire owners willing to take much crap.

          • xoot says:

            That’s true; they even booted Neukom out of the board room. And the Giants certainly wrapped up Cain and Lincecum with no real drama beyond the usual off-season hype surrounding arbitration offers and counteroffers. The three-year deal they used to buy out Pablo’s arbitration eligible years was a lot smaller.

            • shoelessinbearvalley says:

              A fitting … err, unfitting … metaphor of Panda merchandising that can regrettably fade over time. And, if Pablo bolts, I really can’t imagine nary another manager, who might show Pablo the kind of especial player “respect” and exceptional kind of patience – a Bochy trademark towards his veteran players – that would keep him in the #3 or #4 slot in the lineup during sometimes lengthy hitting slumps. Bochy is one of a kind. Sandoval, playing for another manager, may quickly come to realize that, perhaps, Bochy is as much the reason for Pablo’s success story – something money alone can never buy.

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