Donald Sterling banned for life because he’s as obnoxious as most racist Americans, rich and not rich alike

Anybody else a bit uneasy to see Sterling get the shaft for comments he apparently made in private to a person he considered a confidante? The right to privacy is the right to be left alone. It’s source is the idea that each individual has a basic right of autonomy. These are abstractions–somewhat laughable abstractions these days. But still–the owners of professional sports franchises who have been banned in the past committed crimes (Eddie D, e.g.) or made very public racist pronouncements (Al Campanis, e.g.–not an owner, but close).

Don’t get me wrong. I’ll be happy to see Sterling slither out of sight. He bought into the NBA when it was (relatively) cheap and his franchise until recently was the dregs. He can sell now, make a new fortune, and vanish. Good riddance. Since when, however, can anyone punish us for having opinions and discussing them in private? Maybe the NSA can get you if your opinion involves a terrorist plot. But general garden-variety small-minded American racism? Half the white people I’ve known in my life share Sterling’s bent.

So how can the NBA justify what it’s doing? PR. Rise up righteously against racism and hope the Clippers scandal doesn’t ruin the revenue stream from this year’s playoffs. On the other hand, I admit that it’s something of a privilege to be a NBA owner. So maybe it’s ok to tell the privileged few to toe a very strict line on race, even in the privacy of their own homes. Maybe Sterling is not only getting what he deserves, but is getting it fairly. I’m not yet sure.

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216 Responses to Donald Sterling banned for life because he’s as obnoxious as most racist Americans, rich and not rich alike

  1. unca_chuck says:

    I think there was the very real prospect of rioting at the Staples Center tonight if not the big (perceptual) penalty. The NBA still can’t force him to sell. They can try, but I really think the owners do not want to set the precedent of divesting someone of a team for shit said in private.

    Besides, not-so-Sterling would fight it tooth and nail.

  2. unca_chuck says:

    $2.5 mill is pocket change for the Donald . . .

  3. Chico says:

    The right to privacy vs the NBA constitution? Wouldn’t his past transgressions come into play here as well? Is it legal to record a phone conversation and release it? This is why people go through law school πŸ˜‰

    I’m stoked he’s gone.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      I have read that V.Stiviano recording this conversation is against the law in the state of California w/o the the person being recorded having given their consent. Does/will she face any charges? I think she should if she broke the law. The penalty amount assessed Sterling aside, he may have legal standing if this is true, to throw out whatever is contained on the recording, remember, I am not an atty nor do I know if that has actual bearing on Silver’s ruling. We all know that the law, if I was correctly informed, does nothing to assuage the outrage of anyone and he signed agreements which have great power over him and how he conducts himself as an NBA owner, which may take precedent over that law(s).

      Which leads to: will the other owners oust Sterling? Silver and Johnson say yes, they’ve spoken to owners that assure them the majority is in favor of Sterling’s departure via 2/3 majority.

      The right to privacy is supposedly one of this country’s great promises. But we see how that has been whittled away, especially since telephones and portable recording devices were invented allowing LE or a nosy operator to eavesdrop on us, to whatever ends. I do not feel anything but negativity for this creepy man and believe he brought this on himself. But, ya, if Joe The Billionaire has no expectation of privacy, what of Joe The Auto-worker?

      I cannot speak to the necessity of being an ethical person, as I have not lived a virtuous life. I have always believed, though, that the constitution and its amendments were written with the intent to protect our rights, even people like Sterling and me.

      Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, where art thou?

      • xoot says:

        There are different sources of privacy rights. The due process clause in the US Constitution is one source, at least since Roe v. Wade. 4th Amendment, another more limited source, also fairly recently found in the US Constitution. These protect against government intrusion. TMZ and the NBA are not the government. The civil right to privacy developed separately; it was essentially invented by Louis Brandeis 125 years ago, in large part in response to intrusive journalists who took advantage of the technological advances of the day. Sterling can sue his girlfriend and TMZ for damages, I suppose. He’ll probably sue the NBA for breach of contract.

        But the world changes. Down near the bottom of that wiki article is this remark from Scott McNealy, former CEO of Sun Microsystems: “You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it.”

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Thanks, xoot. The illusion of privacy is like learning Santa isn’t real, all over again. Ya, I’m a simple man…

          • xoot says:

            I’m almost as fascinated as I am appalled at the loss of privacy. It’s a big cultural change.

            • sandy32koufax says:

              Again, I am NO lawyer but, from an uneducated POV, it lends a degree of cred to the GOPTP refrains of so many different losses of freedom.

      • The legitimacy of the recording is irrelevant here. He admitted to Silver that he said the things on the recording. He’d have to admit the same under oath if he sued. Or I guess he could go the perjury route, but that seems like an even bigger mistake.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Thanks, Noah. Welcome, BTW.

          • Thanks. Oh, and ESPN has also reported that Sterling knew he was being recorded, which would render these entire discussions moot.

          • xoot says:

            yeah, although I don’t quite understand the deal Sterling had with his non-mistress girlfriend. She claims she was taping him as his official archivist? She also claims, apparently, that she didn’t feed the recording to anyone. So Sterling may have a legal beef with someone else. I still think the real story is the NBA’s punishment. Next chapter there may be the 3/4 vote to force him to sell the franchise. After that? Maybe an antitrust lawsuit from Sterling. I’ll buy tickets to that slo mo show.

            • sandy32koufax says:

              Hahaha, I do wish I had that interest sometimes but I’d need more than a layman’s “program” to understand the game, let alone know the players πŸ™‚

              This just keeps getting more and more peculiar and I believe, if any of it ever goes to court, we will learn just what an odd man he really is.

              • xoot says:

                He has been sued more than a few times and some of the stories on line about him include excerpts of his deposition testimony. And he says the damndest things under oath.

                • sandy32koufax says:

                  Now I have to check his record as an attorney. That’s more than a little mind blowing

  4. xoot says:

    Professor Nathaniel Grow, pretty well known for his expertise on baseball’s antitrust exemption, was all over the NBA constitution issues earlier today. His twitter feed includes a link to the constitution.

  5. Chico says:

    Xoot, Noah, thanks for your expertise and explaining this for us..

  6. Chico says:

    John Shea βœ” @JohnSheaHey
    Bochy on Cain: β€œIn the kitchen, he had a knife in his hand . . . and dropped it. He went to grab it again and cut himself.” #sfgiants

  7. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    1. CF Pagan,
    2. RF Pence
    3. 1B Posey
    4. LF Morse
    5. 3B Sandoval
    6. C Sanchez
    7. SS Crawford
    8. 2B Hicks
    9. RH Petit.

    With Belt out, I have my first four batters in the lineup – the key here being Posey is #3 (where ideally he rightly belongs), especially now with a legit power bat in the cleanup, Morse. This is just as I had put on my ‘wish’ list yesterday, but predicted maybe I’d see it by June. Bochy shocked me today by jumping up the schedule by one month. Of course, any lineup is as good as the day’s hot bats. Here’s hoping Sandoval provides adequate cover for Morse today and gets in a couple good licks too. Because, Petit may appreciate seeing the offense get him an early lead.

  8. Chico says:


  9. xoot says:

    Funny to hear Krukow lavish praise on Angel Hernandez.

    • Chico says:

      I know, right? I’ve heard him SCOLD Angel in the past many times, for good reason.. Hilarious.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      At my end, Jon Miller lavishes praise on Dave Flemming and vice-versa.

      • xoot says:

        well, doesn’t some of that “David B. Flemming” stuff sound a bit ironical? Miller would never be nasty, however. (Unlike Vin Scully who used to enjoy humiliating Joe Garagiola on Saturday baseball.)

  10. Chico says:

    This is making the rounds on facebook.. Guessing it’s from tonight?

  11. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Bases loaded. Morse at bat.

  12. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Clippers 21 Warriors 14 (3:55 left in 1st Q).

  13. xoot says:

    Not quite the same around here without Anna stopping by. Hope she’s having a blast, however.

  14. xoot says:

    Morse with the good D. I like that.

  15. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Warriors closing the gap in 2nd Q … 41-44

  16. xoot says:

    Pablo hit that ball hard. Good swing, good hit.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Yeah, Miller’s description of ball hitting the mound like a bullet and then bouncing high over the infield gloves for a smash hit sounded like Pablo made solid (crushing) contact.

  17. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Gold glove moment for Crawdude?!

  18. Chico says:

    Good win tonight! Petit was solid, and the bats are starting to heat up..

  19. xoot says:

    Andrew Baggarly ‏@CSNBaggs 7h
    @garybrown909 hit a 3-run, inside-the-park HR for Triple-A Fresno tonight. He’s hitting .271 there. And @HeathHembree has 0.00 ERA in 9 G.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      I can hear ‘jim’ expressing concern that Heath’s ERA may be a tad low to qualify for his idea of a major league team.

  20. shaman138 says:

    I’m preparing myself for the Sharks to likely be on the wrong side of history tonight. Unfuckingbelievable, but I don’t see SJ winning this game, honestly–the Kings are primed and ready and the Sharks look just flat-out pathetic. Incredible choke-job for a team already notorious for choking and even if they did pull this one off Anaheim would probably destroy.them. Hopefully, this finally gets McClellan fired. Blargh. As if being a Raiders fan wasn’t hard enough.

  21. unca_chuck says:

    No shit. An epic fail. This team has been top 3 for years and can’t get out of their own way. Not a huge hockey fan but I’ve been to a few games. Fun stuff. Different coaches, different players, same result.

    Hey, they could win. And fuck Anaheim.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      In honor of MOW, I’m still holding out for a shocking Sharks upset! I know everything says not gonna happen, but until proven wrong, I’m going with the right, err … I mean, left side of history. Go Sharks! (Disclaimer: I’ve never seen one televised Sharks’ game this year – I’m not sure what provider televises the games, but they don’t happen with a minimal Dishnet account, which includes local channels (local being slightly over-stated, when Chico’s station provides the only occasional, local Giants games.)

  22. sandy32koufax says:

    I don’t have a puck in this race but this is sport I don’t mind saying “Fuck LA” about

  23. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, I don;t really give a puck either.

  24. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    ha! ha!

  25. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Morse drives in another run in the first, and now Hicks homers (his 5th of the season already – amazing). Gotta like how the Giants bats have waked from their mid April, 10 day, slumber. All because of getting away to play three now all the significant games back at Coors Field.

  26. unca_chuck says:

    Still get a chuckle out of Morse’s walk-up song . . .

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      That’s another thing the radio broadcast fails to reproduce. Too bad. I’d love to hear it (a ha “Take On Me”) too.

  27. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Posey’s bat is entirely more productive right now. He the best, pure #3 hitter Bochy has. And Morse is well suited as the cleanup slugger (and DH for inter-league play).

  28. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Sharks and Kings tied 1-1 in 2nd Period.

  29. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Huddy going for the complete game … oh my god … Grandal just homered! Romo time.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      You JINXED him, shoeless!

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Yeah! It happened just as I was typing “going for the complete game,” when all of a sudden-like the heavens shook and the crescent moon became a menacing slice of primordial dread … what happened after that, I’ll never know. When I awoke all I noticed was someone had eaten the last Oreo cookie left on the kitchen counter. I suspect my cat.

        Goodnight all!

  30. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Well, the Pad’s homer made it more ‘interesting’ than I would have liked. Oh, who am I kidding – so long as the Giants win, I’m good with interesting so long as it never gets “too” interesting.

    Well a good night of winning baseball for everyone on this board. Even sandys Bums won an almost equally ‘interesting’ game vs a feisty Twins team.

    Forward to Atlanta!

  31. xoot says:

    Good game tonight. Tim Hudson is a veteran stud. Great addition to the Giants.

    I agree, shoeless–the road trip in early May is important. Time to start firing on all cylinders (Pablo, Belt).

  32. unca_chuck says:

    Too bad Huddy doesnt’ get to pitch in Atl. That would have been fun.

    Any Given Sunday? Hated it. I like Oliver Stone sometimes, but this is a gargantuan mess of bullshit and chiches laid on so thick as to be unendingly cloying and eventually laughable in its attempt to wring the football=war mentality dry. It has the look of a bad 80-s MTV video. The lighting is horrible. It looks like a movie done by a guy who has never seen a football game before. Stone obviously knows little about football strategy. But that’s just me.

    No spoiler here, but there’s a scene very reminiscient of the Passion of the Christ.

    The best ‘Sunday’ movie is On Any Sunday with Steve McQueen.

    Or even ‘Black Sunday’, a fairly decent thriller from way back in the mid-70s (I read the book [Thomas Harris of Silence of the Lambs fame] before the movie came out so I was excited to see it) about using the Goodyear blimp to wreak havoc at the Super Bowl. I might have to find that again. It has 2 of my favorite actors in Robert Shaw and Bruce Dern.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Haha, Yes, a terrible flick but I used “any given Sunday” in the context that it existed prior to the flick: even an Oakland Raiders can beat a Seahawks…on any given Sunday.

      BTW, my personal fav football cinema would have to be “Three Little Pigskins.”


      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Spoiler Alert?!! You gave away the whole premise of the film … but, thanks! πŸ™‚

  33. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Disclaimer: The following is a piece I’m taking complete liberty to plagiarize, cap, bat, and glove (as opposed to the lock stock and barrel), because I ‘may have’ also posted it where it will surely be wasted upon the doomers, ‘half-empties’, and trolls.

    “The beauty of baseball is you never know what’s going to happen next.” –Sergio Romo

    With the above in mind,

    1) how many of us here accurately predicted the Giants would end the month of April 2014 in 1st place with a .607 win/loss average?

    No one? 1 point.

    2) how many here predicted Tim Hudson, coming off a 2013 season-ending ankle injury in July of 2013 would go 4-1 in April 2014 and play the key role in an already 2012 WS proven rotation of starters (minus Zito)?

    No one? 2 points

    3) how many here predicted Michael Morse, yes, the same Morse who struggled mightily much of his career to overcome repeatedly vexing DL stints, would be batting 4th as the Giants cleanup hitter by the end of April, while batting .302 with 6HR’s, 20RBI’s, 6BB’s …?

    no one? 3 points

    4) how many here would be willing to try the following experiment (worth 6 points)

    _a. Dump the contents of whatever glass you’re drinking from completely out.
    _b. Refill the same glass to the half-way line (Caution, do not cheat yourself by underestimating nor overestimating where the half-way line on your glass lies).
    _c. Consider a world turned upside down as you now *will* (force) yourself to see the glass before you to be just as aptly described as one being “half-full”.

    Finally, and while you’re still contemplating this brand new world turned upside down, recall once more – because it’s worth repeating – even as Romo flies off today with his team mates to do battle in Atlanta,

    “The beauty of baseball is you never know what’s going to happen next.”

    Oh, and if you scored 6 points or more today, you know Baseball, it’s beauty as well as its heart and soul.

  34. unca_chuck says:

    Well, I’ll give myself 1/2 points for some of those. I knew Huddy would be better than Zito. 4-1 and dominating? No. I knew Morse should be better than Blanco. But 6 bombs and 20 RBI’s to open the year? Fuck to the no!

    Then again (and I know it’s early), I thought Cain would be doing a lot better. I thought Pablo would be hitting. I thought Timmy L would be gaining form rather than scuffling.

    Hicks is the biggest surprise in this young season. He’s shoring up his defense while getting his mash on. The oppo HR yesterday was just about legendary.

    If someone said on April 1 that we’d have 34 HRs (good enough for 3rd in the LEAGUE) in the month of April, I would have called you a delusional dreamer.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      I’m sorry, but any 1/2 point is counted as a full point! I also admit I already scored everyone here with 6 points (out of a possible 12*)

      *Actually, achieving 12 points is a hypothetical not based in any reality. Because, in order one to achieve such a mythical number, one would have to successfully predicted 1, 2, and 3, while at the same time seeing all Giants fortunes in 2014 to be an fruitless “half-empty” glass exercise.

      I haven’t seen anyone here at JD’s to fit some a contradictory mold.

      I mean even Hector Sanchez hasn’t come as a complete surprise (and I thought at the end of last year that he would make some sort of a comeback – bounceback – this year). But, of course, the additions of Gutierrez and Huff as well as a rejuvenated Machi and a healthy again Affeldt is only something I could have hoped for – but not successfully predict.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Hell, my online English is observably degrading as time goes by … I hope this isn’t some early onset of Sir Alzheimer rearing his untoward head.

      • xoot says:

        Good point about Machi. He’s been terrific. (Who predicted he’d share the team lead in wins at the end of April? Ha!)

        I was reasonably sure the Giants would be at the top of the Division at the end of April, but I wouldn’t’ve been surprised if the bums had been tied up there too. Overall, given how everyone in the rotation other than Hudson has under-performed, April was a very kind month. They’ll at least have confidence in their bats and the pen as they begin this road trip. If the starters get into grooves, May will be a good month as well.

        • shoelessinbearvalley says:

          Yes. Conceivably better … even if only counting Bumgarner and Cain coming around – as well as getting sufficient run support. Even so, I’m hoping in a massively major uber-way that Tim settles in – just as he did in the second half of last year; only do it starting in the month of May. Vogelsong … well, I’m taking his one start at a time for now – perhaps, just it’s supposed to play out. Looking forward to the series with the Braves – better now than in August (although, without looking ahead at the schedule, I trust MLB ‘fixed’ the Giants to have the team fly into Atlanta in mid August with the temperature at 93 degrees and a humidity of 89 percent. πŸ˜‰

          • xoot says:

            Well at least they got to play a few warm weather nights at home. HRs to show for it. Hey, Brian Wilson’s in trouble in the 8th.

            • shoelessinbearvalley says:

              Oh! Let’s hope sandy32’s not following my every move, but I must have poked at least 40 pins into my 4 year old Wilson Bobblehead Doll … and maybe it’s really working. πŸ™‚

              • shoelessinbearvalley says:

                Nope. I probably need bigger pins – Wilson successfully got through the 8th with 2 K’s no less. 😦

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      “If someone said on April 1 that we’d have 34 HRs (good enough for 3rd in the LEAGUE) in the month of April, I would have called you a delusional dreamer.” Ha! I second that! Anything to the “Bonds Factor” that I’ve heard whispered here and there to be behind this HR Giants ‘frenzy’?

  35. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Shark fans can take at least ‘some’ satisfaction in their team’s “Crushing” defeat in knowing they weren’t the first team to lose a playoff series after going up 3-0. Anyone know the other 4 teams, who share such notoriety as the Sharks? (I tried to conduct a quick search of the question, but whereas there were repeated articles citing the claim, not one article I scanned took the time to post the other 4 teams ….)

    • shaman138 says:

      The Boston Bruins were the most recent ones, who were up 3-0 against the Flyers in 2010 before their own meltdown. They actually went on to win the Cup the very next year against another perennial playoff choke-artist team, the Canucks. (But at least Vancouver has made it to the finals).

      I have no satisfaction in that pathetic hockey team…it will be a very long time before I watch hockey again.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Thanks, shaman. That’s kinda ‘unfortunate’ (sad really) when a team, rather than inspire its potential fans, actually kills off all desire to follow the game again – or for at least for the foreseeable future. The Sharks have cast a curse upon their own fans, which may take eons to dispel – or at least until they pull off what the Bruins were able to accomplish!

  36. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    LAD 2 Twins 2 (T8)

  37. xoot says:

    ho ho! You see Puig’s f-ups tonight? Even when he has a good game he has a bad game. (Or vice versa, to be fair.) bums trying to sweep a double header. Meanwhile, TB took two from the Red Sux–with Balfour getting a save in both games. CheAp ass a’s should’ve made him a decent offer.

  38. sandy32koufax says:

    Jansen is blowing it in the bottom of the 12th…smdh

  39. sandy32koufax says:


    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      That’s what I say … wait, strike that. Let me start over … darn. heck.

    • xoot says:

      I really enjoyed Puig beating out an IF hit and then instinctively turning toward 2B. He changed his mind and strolled toward 1B, where the 1B man casually tagged him out before he touched the bag again. 40M body, 5 cent mind.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        I didn’t get to see much…fucking Puig. I just do not fucking understand how Mattingly doesn’t get primeval on his ass and sit him for a week.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Thanks for sharing what went down … He’s got the physical attributes of a Titan, but you’re right, the thick-headed skull of an undisciplined / unruly child.

      • xoot says:

        People all over the baseball blogs and FB are critical of the ump’s call. But I can see it. Puig definitely thought of going to 2B on the overthrow and should’ve hustled back to 1B when he changed his mind. His look of confusion after being called out was the best part of the play. Unfair? Maybe. I’ll bet the umps all hate him, however. And he either doesn’t notice or doesn’t care–which makes things worse. If he were capable of complex thoughts and sound judgment the guy might remind us of Clemente.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          W/o having seen the play, I “get it” based on so many other mental lapses he’s committed since last May. Xman, you really dislike him but I don’t, he is too frustrating to me though. All of that talent and potential and his arrogance, inattention and flat learning curve in so many areas is just unacceptable anymore. Ya, he is a game changer but that works both ways.

          Cuba kicked him off of a team (national team maybe?) and that’s when he bolted for Fla. and in spite of his $42M, it’s time to sit or demote the guy. He sure isn’t learning or focusing by being in the bigs.

          • xoot says:

            It’s fun having someone on the bums to “hate.” Greinke shows some talent for that purpose, too, but not enough for full time “hate.” Meanwhile, Kemp, Kershaw, even Hanley–they’re different. Not hateable. And Uribe and Wilson, well, I’m just sorry that those fine players have to finish out their careers under the smog-dim lights in Chavez Ravine. Thank the lard for Puig, doing 120 mph in his Rolls because once again he’s absurdly late for the game. Now there’s a real bum.

            tv celebrities like to sit above the home team 3B dugout in dodger-land, right? Can’t wait to see them scramble to get out of the way of one of Puig’s monstrous overthrows. The guy’s a beast. The guy’s a hoot.

  40. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, the ‘turn’ is very subtle, but Puig played it off like it didn’t happen. His mistake.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      His umpteenth mental mistake, chuck.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        I feel the frustration with Puig. Not sure if Bochy could handle him any better than Mattingly at this point. His kind of character requires repetitive humbling experiences, I’m afraid, before he learns his MLB Baseball 101.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Good clarification, chuck. thanks.

  41. xoot says:

    I’m still at work–got gameday on the computer. It sucks. Was that wild pitch from Lincecum a Sanchez special?

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      I just got in after the Giants 1st. Following the game via KNBR and Gameday, but I don’t know. But, Hector made some decent blocks so far as well; so I’m giving him a pass; and besides, the Giants still enjoy a commanding 1-0 lead.

  42. xoot says:

    I’ve only seen about half this game, but Sanchez has blocked a bunch of tough bouncing pitches. Meanwhile, Buster has played 1B a couple of times in the past few games, and he looks a whole lot better over there. Belt is feeling some ambition right now.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Belt strikes out … I’m shocked! Romo … get it done! (not predicting … just projecting optimism and hope. πŸ™‚ )

  43. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Tim hung in there for six innings. I can imagine most Giants fans will be pleased, with the exception, of course, the ‘doomers’ and trolls, who have been predicting Tim was done as early as 2011-2012; and then again as late as ST and last week. He did ‘good’ tonight.

    • shaman138 says:

      Those poor little trolls are sad, irrelevant people.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Young trolls, I can understand, they perhaps don’t know any better. But trolls like B4E, PY, mollie and allie/soph/jim (who I suspect both the latter two to be considerably older), should know better, but somewhere along the way they stopped growing … oh, shit, you said it better (and simpler) … they are just sad, irrelevant semi-human shit heads.

  44. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Romo in a bit of a pickle … 2 outs, 2 on.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Come on, Romo! Get it done! Just do it. now, baby.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Upton frozen in his tracks! caught lookin’!!!! What a torturous 9th. whew ….

        • xoot says:

          I always relax a bit when Romo’s facing a RH. Although he did hang one slider in that last AB. Still, that’s his strength.

          Affeldt, Casilla and, yes, Lincecum did very well. good game.

          • shoelessinbearvalley says:

            Yeah, thankfully, Romo’s saving grace tonight was that he kept his high pitches slightly off the plate, according to Flemming. But, listening to the game and not being able to see exactly how Romo was pitching, was torture almost reminiscent of Wilson’s outings back in 2010. Still, this could be a good omen for this year (as a baseball fan, I cannot resist ‘good omens’) πŸ™‚ Always great to get game 1 of any 3 game series.

  45. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Hey, Lincecum is now 2-1 (ERA dropping to 5.21)

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Have a great Friday night, JDowders; and don’t do anything Chico wouldn’t do. πŸ™‚

  46. xoot says:

    A 7 pitch first inning for Vogey? That’s nice.

  47. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    107-108 (Clippers) with 2:52 left in the 4th … there’s still a chance. Go Warriors!!!!!!!!

  48. xoot says:

    After some sort of salute to the US armed forces in the Atlanta ballpark, Krukow tries to wax eloquent about the gesture of respect. He says, and I kid you not, “It’s a great time to be in the military.”

    • Chico says:

      LOL, fail..

    • Chico says:

      Although I do know a couple of youngsters who just joined.. One of them (female) is looking at it as more of a jobs program. Med-tech (Air Force). btw, she hates Texas!

      • xoot says:

        It’s still a place to start for some kids. But . . . . Well, I wish them well. I don’t think we’ll be out of Afghanistan for a few more years.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      It is better in 2014 than, say 2001-2010, with winding down of the biggest military blunder since the Spanish-American war (or some such): Iraq.

  49. Chico says:

    Pitching has been stellar.. And Crawford. . Have a day!

  50. Chico says:

    The Bums lose!

  51. annapirhana says:

    Quake woke me (they are saying 6.2 centered in Tokyo) with an impressive build up to a violent shake. Turned on the game and heard the to Tomohawk chop. Yikes. But go Giants.

    • xoot says:

      The Atlanta crowd sounds like a bunch of zombies when they chant. Several times today the fans behind the plate have been on camera when they leapt up to participate in the wave. Ridiculous.

      More important: Giants Sweep!

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      That quake you heard was likely Crawford’s bat on the ball today. (Seriously, I hope the Quake did not take any human toll.)

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      GOP version: “We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation.”

      The White House email: “We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.”

      Why am I not surprised. They lied America into a trumped-up war in Iraq (and the invasion of Afghanistan wasn’t particularly brilliant either), but now they can’t even lie well. Which is a good thing, thank god.

      • unca_chuck says:

        Don’t even get me started. Was having a FB back-and-forth with someone, and it’s the same drivel. “How can you even give Obama credit for killing Bin Laden?” ” Benghazi is the White House lying and covering their asses. He should be impeached.” “The Iraq war was just Bush relying on the intel his staff provided.”

        I mean seriously. Losing diplomats in the field is tragic, and both sides were complicit in defunding security at ALL embassies. To equate $10 trillion in debt due to the unfunded wars, ~6,000 soldiers lives, plus the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead and displaced, to Benghazi, and that is supposed to be a wash?

        What’s always funny to me is how Fox and the republicans always have a rejoinder for something that goes wrong with Obama. “Is hurricane Sandy Obama’s Katrina?” “Is Benghazi Obama’s Iraq?” Is the stock market doubling over the past 4 years Obama’s economic meltdown?”

        Oh, wait.

        But the point is, They are so quick to point at Obama’s percieved failings as they point to the biggest fuckups by a US president since the Taft administration.

      • Chico says:

        Yep.. Dems don’t fight hard enough for me, but I’ll never, ever, trust a republican..

  52. unca_chuck says:

    The sucky thing is it still isn’t going to change the results of these midterm elections. The dems stand to lose more ground in the house. Got Gerrymandering?

    It just make me kinda cringe that the Dems will be sending out Hillary for the 2016 elections. FIrst a black guy and then a woman? It’ll be another 8 years of absolute bullshit spin from the right.

  53. Chico says:

    This game started at 4:05… Holy shit.

  54. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Game is now 5 minutes short of 5 hours.

  55. Chico says:

    Machi just stole a base.. This is hilarious!

  56. Chico says:

    Hicks! What a gutty win!

  57. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Romo ‘hits’ the batter and then shuts down McCutcheon and gets Alvarez to hit into a DP. Beautiful!

  58. xoot says:

    Machi has earned every win!

  59. xoot says:

    Happy birthday to Willie Mays and Sigmund Freud.

  60. unca_chuck says:

    Chico, to get back to the Dems, they are a bunch of pussies. The oinly thing admirable about the Republicans is they (for most of our recent history. Let;s leave the teabaggers out for a moment) stick to their guns (so to speak) when their agenda is laid out. All diuring the time when the Dems had a super majority, they would waffle on shit, and back out, and generally act like a bunch of scared chickens. Once they lost the majority, they clucked and squalked even more. They are afraid of doing anything that would remotely tie them to the president. Not a very good look. Much like Gore distancing himself from Clinton during the last days of his admoinistration. I think it ended up killing his shot at the presidency.

    Gun control being a prime example. They will NEVER go against the prevailing sentiment that if they come out and support gun control, they will be labelled wimps and voted out of office. The reality is, there are a lot of people that would vote in reasonable gun control laws. But they play right into the Republican hands by waffling.

  61. unca_chuck says:

    Looks like Mark Jacksonis getting the axe.

    Serious mistake.

  62. unca_chuck says:

    Xoot, aws a father with one kid out of college, one kid in college, and one kid about to go to college, refinancing those loans would be a huge savings to me and my children. My oldest got a pretty good job 2 months after graduating, but she’s inundated with college loan bills. We took some on too, because St. Mary’s isn’t cheap. Even with their partial scholarship.

    I nearly died when I saw the interest rates they were charging us and her. I called the loan companies all and their response was, these are the rates. Don’t like it? Tough shit. It was a total joke that student loans that were historically around 2% are now 8%-10%. We have stellar credit, and this is the shit we have to pay? It’s a fucking joke that the rich keep getting their tax breaks while all of the rest of us are getting fucked regularly.

    BOHICA indeed.

    • xoot says:

      When I decided to go back to school in the late 80s I had to include my original student-loan history, circa 69-73, in my new loan application, so I requested the old records. I was stunned. True, I received some grants. But I went through college mainly on loans, and the total was something like $1,500. UC was essentially free back then. In 1990, when I finished my next three-year academic stint, I had a much larger new student-loan debt, but not horrible, especially in light of the starting salary I was looking at. Tuition at the UC school I attended was something like six thousand bucks a year for Calif residents. It’s now over $47K per year, and students also have to pay $3.5K per yr in student health insurance. There are far fewer good paying jobs waiting than there were in 1990. And a lot of the people graduating with professional degrees these days also have their undergraduate loan burdens to bear. It’s an insane situation. Many recent graduates are going to care deeply about the issue. Could be a major political factor, eventually.

  63. Chico says:

    I would vote for Warren for president. She, and Bernie Sanders are my favorites.. Her bill makes so much sense and would help out so many (Chuck and his family are a great example).. Give the students the same rate as banks? Yes! We all do better with an educated populace, and more $ in their pockets = more purchasing power = a bit of economic stimulus, imo.

    • xoot says:

      Elizabeth and Bernie are the best. I get Bernie’s email updates. The guy’s a fighter. One thing about Warren that’s interesting is the way she developed, from both her personal experience and her academic research, her critique of the market and the republicans who protect its imbalances. Smart as a whip.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Ditto to Warren and Sanders. Bernie could serve to change the ‘debate’ if he decided to run – and if the two parties ‘allowed’ him to participate in what has heretofore been a rigged debate forum. Warren, would actually prove to be a most formidable candidate if and when she decided to run. She’s got my vote – she’s a fighter with vision and a clear capacity to explain just how fucked up (rigged) the current system in place favors the one-percent and worse, the .01 percent.

  64. xoot says:

    I heard Elizabeth Warren interviewed on the radio this morning as I drove to work. I’m going to have to read her book now. Apparently in one chapter she describes a governmental meeting in 2009, soon after Obama appointed her to oversee TARP, where she asked Geithner how he intended to address the foreclosure crisis that was ruining the finances of millions of families. Geithner said there was no crisis. The foreclosure rate, he said, was ok. It was leaving just enough “foam on the runway” for the big banks. She was concerned about helping people; he was concerned about helping the banks. That simple. She’s still got the same commitment.

  65. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Belt belts one in the 1st. A great way to start. Now, hoping (and, yeah, a little non-secular praying) that Tim’s got his A game today. A win today is the best way to end a series, get on that plane, and head out for sandy32’s backyard to play some serious sandlot ball.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Lincecum walks the lead-off batter on 4 straight pitches ….

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        (Snider – lead-off batter – hitting .211 … why walk him? because, Tim has started the game out of sorts … or as Jon Miller describes, “bewildered”.

        • shoelessinbearvalley says:

          Go Giants … I’m outta here … got to go to town (Arnold). Will follow the game on car radio. πŸ™‚

          • xoot says:

            I’m following on the computer. Based on data so far, Lincecum’s has not brought his A game. FBs are under 90 and wild.

  66. unca_chuck says:

    Giants appear to be playing for the long ball. Crawford leaves a runner on 3rd, one out.

    I’ve never seen a team with so little awareness of situational hitting. Move a runner over, bring him home? Naah. I’ll swing wildly at the 1st pitch in the dirt and ground out to the pitcher. As bad as Pablo has been, this is a team-wide problem and it has been for a long time.

  67. unca_chuck says:

    Timmy pinich-hit for in the top of the 5th. 88 pitches in 4 innings.

  68. unca_chuck says:

    Belt doubles in 2 and gets thrown out at 3rd . . .

  69. unca_chuck says:

    Top o’the 9th. Cole’s out.

  70. unca_chuck says:

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanf I’m out . . .

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