Pitchers and catchers report next week

Update. Well, the scintillatingly exciting litigation games continue. After loudly filing a lawsuit against mlb, Selig and the union a couple of weeks ago, today ARod quietly dismissed it. Appears he’ll take his punishment. His attorneys have cancelled their orders for Bentleys and house remodelling work. Meanwhile, after dragging its two million feet for nearly a month, San Jose finally filed an appeal in the antitrust case against mlb. Strangely, they’ve asked the court of appeal to expedite briefing and hearing on the matter, arguing that they’ll be irreparably harmed if they have to negotiate an extension of their sweetheart deal to sell the A’s some real estate at below market rates. Yeah, right. Here’s mlb’s rather dismissive response to that.
For anyone interested, that brief, at pp. 5-8 (including fns. 2-6), in fairly plain language, gives a thumbnail sketch of just how slim San Jose’s chances overall on appeal are.

Old stuff.

The Super Bowl has become our national mardi gras.  It’s Fat Sunday for everyone, and a hangover as sour as Lent follows.  February is the dullest month, delivering swimsuit editions instead of sports.  The push to March madness is ok; hockey interests some; the dubs are fairly entertaining this year; Sochi, however, with the time-zone difference, will just be annoying.  News will concern A-Rod’s litigation, San Jose’s litigation, the football team at NW’s litigation (trying to convince the NLRB that they’re employees, I believe), and various concussion litigation matters.   Meanwhile, as the winter days imperceptibly lengthen, Spring Training will start.  Hope’s on the horizon.

Personally, I have a stack of books here and a new rack on my car.  Beach by day, fireside in the evening sounds good to me.  (Well, we’ll see how that works out.)  How are you going to spend the dullest month? 

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  1. mailorderwife says:

    The person who posted this on FB, and whose timeline I can read, pays $125 a month in child support. His child lives in a household that receives food stamps, and she is homeschooled by a mother that refuses to find a job and who lives off her grandmother’s retirement checks. The person who posted this and the child’s mother are both ardent tea partiers. And while I can’t say this shit on FB, I needed to vent somewhere. Sorry. But why do people, who are the worse offenders when it comes to the dole, act as if their shit is too good?

    Otherwise, February isn’t that bad. We have Valentine’s day! Of course, our version of Valentine’s Day is nothing close to how the Japanese have wrecked and recreated it. The Japanese Valentine’s Day for men is on February 14th, while the male Valentine’s day is March 14th — also Steak and BJ day in the western world. Japanese had to gender segregate the days because too many women became upset when their chocolate giving — usually done en masse to co-workers, friends, classmates — was never reciprocated.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      “But why do people, who are the worse offenders when it comes to the dole, act as if their shit is too good?” Just a guess, but I would start with the supposition that these worse offenders either know they are gaming the system, so they drop an anti-food stamp / anti-Democratic Party bomb as *cover* for their guilty conscience; or they are successfully made to feel *ashamed* by the massive right wing propaganda media networks (Fox, Limbaugh, etc.), and so again they drop the anti-food stamps bomb in some attempt to cover their shame.

      Regardless of the “why,” maybe, more to the point is this: blatant, shameless hypocrisy.

  2. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Why the Fox channel should NEVER be permitted to carry the Super Bowl ever again: Bill O’Riley. What the hell does a Faux News right wing propaganda agenda have to do with a Nationally televised Super Bowl? Absolute Crap. (I turned to another channel when I thought there must have been some programming mistake.)

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Perfect complement to MOW’s post. I wonder if these kinds of people worked as meth-lab extras in the movie (Jennifer Lawrence’s breakout film), “Winters Bone”. 😉

    • mailorderwife says:

      I got into a minor twitter war with some guy from the #boycottcoke camp. He had poor grasp of proper grammar, and I was just pointing it out to him. I mean, if you’re going to claim SPEAK ENGLISH, you should know how to maneuver around a few apostrophes to make a more coherent sentence! Right? Nuts.

    • unca_chuck says:

      Welcome to Georgia! Gateway to inbreeding!

  3. Chico says:

    I’ll be spending the dullest month focusing on the academic side of things with my kids. Kindergarten academics – the pre-school can only do so much. I’m also going to get into better shape, and start eating as healthy as I can. I can lose 10. That means less beer drinking which I really do enjoy. I might even cut it out altogether but that’ll be hard, because I love beer.

    Really looking forward to the olympic games, too. To me, that’s the best sporting event in the world (besides MLB post-season and the world cup).

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Giving your kids a boost even as early as Kindergarten is an excellent plan build / instill self-esteem in your children – which is surely a most useful gift as your children go through all the later to be anticipated school years of peer pressure. A high self esteem may serve (help) to keep them on a straighter path to a more successful adult life. Not that I can prove this by any kids I simply never had (a result of both ill-timed relationships – i.e., “too young” – and/or never having met someone, who could convince me that the world actually needed me all along, let alone needed ‘my’ own children to be added to the already glutted “pro life” global population pool. Of course, if I had been born and/or mutated into a right wing conservative creationist voter, I woulda considered having 12 kids and sent them all to private religious schools, ensuring self-esteem was really just an self-fulfilling exercise in midnight mass brain-washing. 😉

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        And, oh yes, I too love the Winter Olympics. Every four years, Joseph Campbell’s rather spiritual idea of a One World Community is imagined and perhaps one day realized as so many countries come together to so generously and peacefully compete on the world stage. And if Jamaica one day actually wins the 4 man bob sled all the better! 🙂

    • mailorderwife says:

      I love the Winter Olympics. I don’t think figure skating will be on my schedule, although I do love that France has more blacks on their skating team at one time than the US has ever sent in their entire skating history (1 whole skater). I’ll be rooting for Vanessa James/Morgan Cipres because they have some massive interracial love going on, which should make some American heads explode.

      I also love alpine skiing — happy Lindsay “SMILE FOR THE CAMERA” Vonn is not competing — and hockey. I hope we all weigh in on here!

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Definitely all the Alpine skiing events – especially the Downhill … I would have preferred Lindsey, whose work ethic has been both impressive and inspiring; but she’s not healed from her crushing fall last February. And, of course, what would the Winter Olympics be without the “Calendar” Ladies of Curling. 🙂

  4. shoelessinbearvalley says:


    John Elway tells Fox News Host: ‘I Don’t Believe in Safety Nets’ So I Support the GOP

    “Why do you support the GOP?” Wallace wondered.

    “Well, it goes to what my beliefs are,” Elway explained. “I believe that we’re given the opportunity to succeed or not succeed.”

    That’s right, John. Everyone gets to play the game on the same level playing as you did, bootstraps and all. And, when there are three unemployed workers for every available job, we’re all given the same opportunity to succeed or not succeed, just like ever so modest and humble John Elway.

    The best thing about yesterday’s blowout was that Elway had the ‘opportunity’ to utterly fail and still has a multimillion dollar job to go right back to today … just like everybody else.

    • mailorderwife says:

      I never liked Elway. He has serious entitlement issues, and he should know that such statements from a human who grew up with many privileges should not cast judgment on we peons.

      As to success, it is all relative. Some veer towards financial, others have different priorities. Unfortunately, people like Elway will only weigh in on the financial end.

    • Chico says:

      ha! The NFL is considered a ‘non-profit’ while it rakes in billions. Fuck that horse-toothed jack ass.

  5. Chico says:

    He owns a bunch of Ford dealerships. Me thinks business will be down after this.

    • unca_chuck says:

      Not in Denver. I lived in Colo in the 80s and he could do no wrong. Ever. 75% of the advertising on the radiowaves and TV was for one of Elway’s car dealerships, laundromats, eateries, or dildo emporiums. The Denver papers would do special weather reports on the places that the Elways were scheduled to vacation. It was cloyingly disgusting.

  6. unca_chuck says:

    I watched Elway play at Stanford and he was a marvel. I saw him throw a pass 70 yards in the air while sprinting to his right against USC for a TD. Unbelievable arm strength.

    However, when he threw his hissy fit come draft day, and would not allow himself to get drafted by the Colts, I lost all respect for him. He came off as a spoiled brat, and that’s pretty much what he is, was, and will be.

    • xoot says:

      My ex father in law used to brag that his golf pro often bumped him or made him wait so Elway could get extra time in his lessons. The xfil otherwise was a nasty selfish little prick who usually erupted over any perceived slight. But when it came to Elway, he was under some sort of rocky mountain spell. He probably would’ve been even more ecstatic if Elway had kicked him in the nuts on the way out.

      • unca_chuck says:

        Yep. It floored me how Elway was treated like royalty in Denver.

        The thing is, I ALMOST went to the snowball game where Wershing was nearly pegged with a , uh snowbqall as he tried to kick the game-winning FG. Of course the refs swallowed their whistles and the play stood.

        I would have been furious if I had: driven the 5 hours to get to Denver, paid for the ticket, sat in the snowstorm for 3.5 hours, and watched the refs blow the game in the end.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Same here, chuck. Diva Elway was just “too good” to play for the Colts. The team Payton made his own.

  7. xoot says:

    Extended tweet from H. Schulman:

    “Several folks have asked me what Freddie Freeman’s 8-year, $135 million deal means for Brandon Belt. At the moment it’s an apples and oranges situation. While they were both first-year arbitration eligible, Belt is a Super Two and Freeman is a three-year player, so the service time is not equal. They also are not statistical comps either. Freeman has about 500 more big-league at-bats and has put up better numbers, more consistently. He finished fifth in MVP voting this year. Furthermore, the #sfgiants say they are focused on a one-year deal with Belt right now. However, should Belt continue on his path and gets a long-term contract with the Giants, I’m sure that the Freeman contract will be used as a comp in the negotiations.”

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Hank’s logic herein appears impeccable. Given Sabean’s understandable disdain for such massive contracts, it would still be rather fantastic to see Belt earn something closer to a 5-6 year deal worth a $100 million. 2014 is going to prove a hugely important year (one way or the other) for both Belt and Romo, I believe.

  8. mailorderwife says:

    Would be cute if Team USA put out these sort of videos. I don’t really know who is competing, aside from the guys from the SJ Sharks:

  9. mailorderwife says:

    I finally have a blog up and running. Please come visit and leave comments. I need to be disciplined to update this thing daily: http://slowsuburbandeath.com/

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Clearly, someone (rolleyes: …) has been working 24-7, and 8 days a week too. A beautiful site, MOW. Hideous wig or no, Belt won’t meet the mustard as Metallica band member, but he could still have a breakout year as a great defensive Giants first baseman, who’s bat is just what the team will need if it is to successfully compete for the post season this year.

      • mailorderwife says:

        Oh…the bulk of that blog has been moved over from Tumblr. I couldn’t leave a blog on a site owned by Yahoo, ya know? I have been working on making a movie, however, so I apologize for my absence. I think some of the preliminaries are out of the way and I’m now on the procrastination stage. God help me.

        • xoot says:

          Is clumsy, failing Yahoo worse than google?

          • annapirhana says:

            I have a huge dislike for Yahoo based on its early operating years. Back in the 90s, Yahoo liked it when you did certain favors in order to gain nice placement on their search engine. One year at a certain giant film festival, I was one of five people who had to babysit a Yahoo rep that, having decided to leave his anti-depressant meds back in the US, decided to act out his psychosis everyday, 24/7. During every episode where he “acted out”, he never failed to mention that he was WORTH MILLIONS because he OWNED YAHOO STOCK! Hence, I’d probably use a blog powered by the Death Star before I’d use anything by Yahoo.

  10. unca_chuck says:

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  11. unca_chuck says:

    Whoa, talk about PEBKAC . . .

    (problem exists between keyboard and chair)

    Uh, yeah I always liked the Winter Olympics better than the summer ones. Skiing, bobsled, and luge just seemed like such crazy psycho shit to do. Running? Throwing spears? Weightlifting? ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz…… Sure, there’s figure skating and curling, but it seemed less overtly commercialized as well.

    • mailorderwife says:

      The Sochi problems are making this one particularly interesting. The hotels are a mess, the venues have not been completed and I’m sure the Russian drivers are just ready to hit accelerate once they see black ice. (Been watching too many Russian car crash compilations).

    • xoot says:

      I’ve always liked the speed skating and the skiing, but I couldn’t care less who wins. Curling’s good.

      MOW, a local news show aired some of that Russian high-speed skid video last night. The newscaster very deliberately pointed out that the car sliding sideways at 40 mph and smashing into a building was an Audi. Nice touch.

      • mailorderwife says:

        Wow wow…have to see that. I admit to being addicted to all those Russian car crash compilation videos, thanks to all those dash cams that sit in the cars. It’s amazing how many people run red lights, change lanes/cut off drivers only to crash into a wall/snowdrift or make left/right turns from the wrong lanes. The upside is that there are always 2-5 cars that stop to help accident victims; the downside is that the road rage is rampant, and there are videos of people pouring out of cars to beat up people in other cars.

        This bus driver has had over 100 crashes. He likes to exact road justice for bad driving:

        …and just because:

        • sandy32koufax says:

          I’ve gotta admit I’ve never watched vids like those before, maybe I went to too many demo derbies as a kid? It amazes that so many drivers in those shots remind me of drivers on Market St, the El Camino or Hollywood/Sunset or Sepulveda Blvds.

          I prefer the summer games as I’m a track/football/equestrian/cycling/water sports nut. (water sports=water polo, swimming, crew, etc…put the dirty minds away) Winter games favs being anything on skis, ski jumping, long course skating and, the only time I seriously pay attention to it, hockey. Yes, curling is also on my watching list since a Canuck friend friend hipped me to the nuance of the sport. Figure skating has never held my attention, however.

          • xoot says:

            Vernon Davis has improved the curling IQ of American fans.

            • sandy32koufax says:

              Is that akin to what Brian Boitano has done for his fans regarding cooking and mixology?

            • xoot says:

              I’d say Davis is on one end of the spectrum–the all-star athlete in his prime, while Bruce Jenner is at the other end. I guess Boitano’s somewhere in the middle, but it’s a slippery slope leaning down toward Jenner . . . .

              • sandy32koufax says:

                I met Jenner at San Jose City along with Mac Wilkins and Al Oerter (coaching) who were all training for ’76 there. Jenner was, at that time, a semi-authentic guy that was enjoying his celebrity and living the good life. I guess he’s addicted to it so badly that he has become the parody of himself that we know him to be today. Davis, like Boitano, has given much of himself to issues and “communities” not associated with the sports we came to them by. Jenner’s just a shameless fool that can’t move into obscurity…

                • annapirhana says:

                  My favorite Olympian of all time is Eric Heiden. He did wonders to bring speed skating to the forefront, and he did it with so much class and dignity. Jenner? After all the hype about the sacrifices made by his wife so that he could become a decathlete, dumping her ASAP seemed so crass.

                • sandy32koufax says:

                  I was a Frank Shorter fool and still am…

  12. sandy32koufax says:

    Look who is making good on his promise to prosecute Banksters. Preet Bharara has now exceeded my hopes for the success of his crusade:


  13. annapirhana says:

    Emmitt Smith donates to Wendy Davis committee. Good job, Emmitt! You’re not so bad after all!

    BTW…had to change the name. Someone pointed out that the MOW moniker might not be so good for a blog that I’m associating with my work :< blargh

    • sandy32koufax says:

      I’ve never liked anything about the guy. He just earned some points in my book.

      Ya, that’s why my ex and I didn’t continue our blog about “our” place in the Oakland Hills…

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        I might have liked him if he had been an Oakland Raider.

        Yes, here’s hoping for a bit of a miracle in a red state turning more purple every day. Go Wendy!!!

  14. xoot says:

    Oh my:

    “Cal officials confirmed Friday morning that a member of the football team, Ted Agu, has died. He was 21.
    “Agu, a 6’1″ 240-lb. defensive end from Bakersfield, was a junior. The Chronicle has confirmed that Agu collapsed during a training run.”

  15. Chico says:

    A comment from a guy I blog with about Cal football. He’s also faculty.

    I was lucky enough to know Ted from our work together on the orientations for frosh athletes that happens right after Spring semester is done. Ted was one of the Peer Athletes — and he was perfect for the role. Ted was always there to help anyone. His face always had a smile on it and his warmth would fill a room easily.

    He was a true student-athlete — he knew football was not going to be his career and he made sure his gpa was solid. He was a Public Health major — which appeals to students who like science and also want to help make the world a better place.

    The last time I saw him was about eight weeks ago. I was on the bus home going down Bancroft and Ted got on at the RSF. As always he was happy and joyful — even though he was starting to deal with studying for mcats, which is not a fun undertaking for anyone, never mind someone who also has to commit to football.

    This is a horrible thing. A horrible horrible thing — it’s apt that today the campus is dark and being rained on — there is no joy in this day.

    • unca_chuck says:

      Not that ne had a choice. Or a chance.

      • xoot says:

        His attack on the union was the most interesting part of his case. He would’ve failed. Hell, he insisted on having his own lawyers take over his defense in the arbitration. But the union’s role was unusual. When mlb filed its Florida lawsuit against Biogenesis to get the evidence it wanted, the union could’ve intervened–or tried to intervene–to protect the players involved. Instead, the union seemed to cheer from the dugout. The union, apparently, also advised ARod (along with Braun, et al) to take the deals mlb was offering. The union is looking out for all the players, and the consensus these days is against PEDs.

        So I don’t fault the union. I’ve posted about that before. This is a strange workplace where some of the workers earn more than the effing team owners, while some of the workers earn a whole lot less, especially over short careers. (Although the mlb minimum’s impressive, and they get to play the damn game.) I think the union’s obligations ride on a sliding scale: The union’s fiduciary duty to players diminishes in proportion to the size of the players’ contracts. In the world of regular people that’s not how it works, but we’re talking big money here. ARod can take care of himself. Good riddance.

        • shoelessinbearvalley says:

          Very interesting observation about the sliding scale of attention accorded MLB players. Too bad “the regular people” in society don’t have a similar union to represent their better interests.

          • sandy32koufax says:

            Xoot, I read your link to the filing. Thanks for keeping us abreast of events re MLB, Wolffco and SJ in this. IDK how law works or what the law reads as but it seems that the MLB legal team will quash SJ/Wolffco in their response. I do wonder if MLB wins the suit, do they “gain” any of their lost footing regarding past decisions against their A/T exemptions?

          • xoot says:

            If the 9th Cir. Ct. App. considers the A/T exemption on the merits, it should do exactly what Judge Whyte (San Jose federal court) did–affirm dismissal of San Jose’s A/T claims based on controlling precedent in the 9th Cir and US SCt, but add commentary criticizing the A/T exemption. imo, however, the 9th Cir. will toss San Jose’s case for lack of standing. (San Jose strangely enough has highlighted the weakness of its standing argument by putting the real estate option agreement front and center, in the motion to expedite the appeal. That little contract cannot possibly support an A/T claim. Again, imo.) The US SCt took a similar approach to the Prop. 8 case, affirming the lower courts by finding lack of standing, thus avoiding the real issue. Such a ruling by the 9th Cir would get everyone off the hook. The US SCt could ignore, and thus technically affirm, without reaffirming the A/T exemption.

            Substantively, mlb does not want the full A/T issue to go back to the US SCt. That Court has the power to reaffirm the A/T exemption, or to gut it. The risk/benefit balance is obvious. Why take a chance? Only a few rogue courts have found the A/T exemption either limited or nonexistent. mlb settled those cases pronto (and the Tampa Bay Rays thus were born, btw). But the 9th Cir won’t go rogue on this issue. imo. Still, if something does go wrong on appeal, mlb will settle rather than head to the US SCt. If nothing goes wrong on appeal, mlb will have demonstrated its will to fight, in case anyone else is contemplating a challenge.

            • sandy32koufax says:

              I understood how tenuous SJ’s case was by basing their brief on the R/E deal by reading the response by MLB and thanks for your take on same. Again, based on what I read, it seems this won’t go any further for precisely the reason you cited, no standing. Btw, do critical remarks of MLB’s exemption further erode it and I don’t understand the difference between affirmation as opposed to reaffirmation, justa carpenter:)

              Thanks, Xoot.

              • sandy32koufax says:

                Does affirming it keep it as it stands today and reaffirming it bring it back to it’s original standing from 1922?

              • xoot says:

                The original 1922 decision doesn’t really control any more. The US SCt reconsidered the exemption in the Curt Flood case and decided that, despite the flaws in the original decision, the fact that Congress had let the A/T exemption stand for 50 years meant that it should continue to stand. (The Court said a few other things, as well, of course. But I think that’s the core.) The Court’s rationale’s not as strange as it sounds. mlb built itself based in large part on the A/T exemption. Might not be fair to destroy it. Big dispute these days is over how much of “the business of baseball” the exemption covers–just the reserve clause? Or team location too? Etc. Most courts apply it broadly. The rogue courts don’t. The insurance industry also has some federal A/T exemptions, although they’ve been under attack the past few years. I’m glad to say I don’t know much about them.

                • sandy32koufax says:

                  I’d completely left Flood out of my thinking re the exemption, makes perfect sense reading it though. I’m not finding much info on territorial rights in a historic sens e EXCEPT where west coast teams are concerned. I didn’t know that Finley tried to move to KY and TX before coming to CA, for instance. I also didn’t realize what a bright atty Moscone (or his legal team?) really was until I read about the lead up to stopping the jints move to T.O., CA.

                  I’d assumed you knew more about the Ins industry and it’s limitations 😉

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Moving video. It’s a sad day for sport when a young man that is fit dies this way. Shades of the star woman’s Bballer (she didn’t pass, of course) from Sacred Heart Cathedral, also a Cal athlete. I found it fitting that the top three vids next to his tribute, recommended by you tube, were “Free Bird,” “Sweet Child O’mine” and some baby vids. The McLachlan song is crushingly apt too.

  16. sandy32koufax says:

    Ski Jumping is my favorite winter Olympics sport. In 1972, I watched the host Japanese jumpers sweep the medals and was hooked. Grace, power and courage. Who didn’t love the opening of “Wide World of Sports” with “the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat?” I’m watching this altered version of the sport, not unlike the uneven parallel bars in gymnastics, and wondering how the old school jumpers would fare.

  17. shoelessinbearvalley says:


    San Francisco then (1906) and now. The three horses on Sacramento Street proved especially distressing.

    • Chico says:

      That was awesome! Thanks shoeless.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      That overlay slideshow was cool and I found most of the images disturbing. The Sharon Building has an especially dear place in my memory and that was one of the least troubling to me…still, thank you for sharing this melding of past and present.

      Hibernia Bank Bldg needs a new owner, shoeless (hint, hint)

  18. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Arroyo to D-backs for 2 years, $23.5 million while Sabean left holding Kickham’s cup. The NL West just got a tad more competitive,

    • xoot says:

      I don’t know about that, shoeless. It’ll be interesting to see how he does now, as he moves toward 40 yrs of age. For quite a while, Arroyo on average has given up one HR per start. That’s high. (32/32 last season. By contrast, last season Lincecum was at 21/32 and Cain at 23/30–and neither of them was at his best in 2013.) Great American Ballpark factor? None of the other Cinn starters were even close to Arroyo last year.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        I believe you provided another good argument, xoot, favoring Vogey for 1 year and $6.5 million over Arroyo at about double that and for two years. I like the Giants chances with what they have. (I’m actually pleased the D-backs got Brandon … it will be that much sweeter when the Giants bats prove your point.)

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Arroyo turns 37 this month and has been an attitude problem several times in his career. jints didn’t need him and D’backs are taking a few rolls of the dice on some of the guys they’ve picked up, imo…

          • shoelessinbearvalley says:

            Yes, the Dodgers and Giants may yet have the last laugh, having both agreed to pass on the Arroyo deal. And, the D-backs getting him may just provide more competitive juice to the NL West. Overall, I like how the Arroyo FA option played out in the off season. Getting pretty jacked about the coming of another season of ball.

            • sandy32koufax says:

              I’ve GOT to believe that, payroll issues aside, if either LA or SF had thought Canyon could improve their staff enough to get over the top, one of them would have grabbed him.

              Ya, I’m getting itchy for baseball and have gone to a couple of local games at a field in South City…good traveling clubs that are 16-18 yr olds.

              • xoot says:

                Canyon? Chasm? Abyss? Hollow?
                You know that little beach called Bean Hollow, north of Año Nuevo? I remember when I was a kid the name was Arroyo de los Frijoles. Now that sounds good, especially if you trill the rr and stress the fri and jo.

                • sandy32koufax says:

                  Gully? Gorge? Ravine?
                  I knew it well, xman…when I was 19, I went to Bean Hollow with a couple of girls from Waste Valley College and set up my tent. We got a heat on and a little high and naked then, as we were communing in that uniquely 70’s fashion of free love. All of a sudden, the incoming tide crashed into and knocked over my canvass USAF tent. Turned a fine evening into a nightmare…worst part was we never got around to rolling our tongues on our “rrr’s”

                  Ah, misspent youth 🙂

                • xoot says:

                  I had some nights more or less like that at Three-Mile, just outside Santa Cruz, back in the 70s. I knew the tides, though. Well spent youth, if you ask me.

                • sandy32koufax says:

                  My buddies and I used to go there and Bonny Doon, Scott’s Creek and Natural Bridges when we weren’t at Twin Lakes, 14th or 41st, maybe Beercan Beach in Aptos. Definitely great memories…

                • unca_chuck says:

                  La Selva! Manressa! Hidden Beach was always a blast. We used to have tons of keggers down there. Even Redondo (no , not that one).

              • xoot says:

                I lived on the beach when I went to school there–Pl. Point, the Harbor, river mouth.
                The Harbor was a great break back then, when sand blocked the entry between the jetties every winter. Boats with keels couldn’t leave, it was so shallow, but the rights were perfect and hollow. You could beat the crowd by taking off in front of the rocks. Nobody dared drop in on you then. Some sort of Army Corps of Engs. underwater pipe ruined that annual dynamic. Too bad. There’s actually a special Calif. statute the leg. enacted to outlaw surfing outside the SC Harbor. Harbor Patrollers in boston whalers used to buzz out and spat through e-megaphones about the penalties. Ha! I’ll bet they never issued a citation.

                But further north, 3 mile was the most secluded and, well, seductive sunset and night time spot. imo.

  19. Chico says:

    Sandy, it was fun kicking some ass last night at the old place. He’s really not nearly as smart as he thinks he is – (fist bump)!

    • sandy32koufax says:

      We did make him shy away a few times…he’s easy to intimidate without being harsh or threatening too. I liked that “My name is Chainsaw” bit. Double fist bump…

  20. sandy32koufax says:

    Sad news from my friend at SI. Seems one of his 2013 graduates, a kid that had seemingly everything to live for, committed suicide yesterday. He is especially shaken up because he knew this young man and his family since the young man was in kindergarten and his son was very close to the young man. If you pray, say a prayer for him and his family and friends. Too tragic…

    • Chico says:

      😦 My friend Jay teaches History and golf at SI.. Just Google ‘Secretary of labor visits Saint Ignatius” and you’ll see an older asian gentleman in the pic. That’s my friend Jay (who is part of our happy hour crew at the local watering hole)..

      I’m sure he’d devastated 😦 So sorry to hear that man.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      I seriously thought he looked too thin and much older than 27. But hey, I DID attend Temple Beth-El for two years 😉

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        holy cow, I had to look twice – I didn’t even recognize it was the ‘Panda’.

        With so much weight loss, maybe now Pablo will be able to run the bases like “faster than a speeding bullet?” And, that his increased range at 3B should take some of the load off Crawford trying to cover so much of Pablo’s left? And, perhaps, Pablo’s bat speed will more than make up for any possible loss of his heavy-weight power? Don’t know. But, he sure does look different. (This year’s ST should prove especially intriguing given the *new and improved* Sandoval, a limited number of Morse sightings (Bochy promised to bring him and Scutaro up to speed slowly at first), Posey’s, Pence’s, and Belt’s bats, and all the new and old invitees. Should be fascinating to watch play out.)

    • annapirhana says:

      He looks like a different person. It’s all very sci fi, as if there is another half human running around out there eating ice cream sundaes.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        So that’s what’s been happening to my Eskimo pies!!!!

        • shoelessinbearvalley says:

          SFDF, what’s just kinda sad, most of the frozen ice cream (sandwiches, pies, etc.) all contain high fructose corn syrup. It’s hard to find any frozen treats without the shit, but I always read the label and bypass anything with HFCS in favor of simple sugar. Same goes for so much of the chocolate / fudge toppings one might think to put on top of their vanilla ice cream. “High Fructose Corn Syrup: Leave the Safeway Without It!”

          • xoot says:

            I’ve seen some lawsuits lately going after relatively healthy-food purveyors because they listed the sugar in their drinks or treats as “evaporated cane juice.”

            • shoelessinbearvalley says:

              xoot, That doesn’t sound right or makes any sense on the face of it …. Do you see the logic / point underlying a lawsuit directed at such honest, specific, and direct labeling as “evaporated cane juice?” … Orwell’s upside down vision of a world built on contradictory euphemisms is alive and well, eh?

              • xoot says:

                I guess if it’s sugar you have to say it’s sugar. Could be crucial to some people, maybe.

                • shoelessinbearvalley says:

                  Weird. Because, their is all kinds of sugar … cane sugar, beet sugar … and, well, I guess “evaporated cane juice” is really just another way of saying “sugar” – so, I see your point … but it does sound a bit picky … because cane sugar and evaporated cane juice are actually two different substances. Again, this is exactly the kind of thing that attracted you to jurisprudence in the first place, eh? 🙂

          • sandy32koufax says:

            I have to admit, with all of my other bad habits, corn syrup and fructose are not very high on my list of priorities to “cut out.”

            • shoelessinbearvalley says:

              HFCS exists as a highly concentrated chemical sugar substitute – doesn’t occur without the assist of DuPont (or whoever), but it doesn’t have to be a habit, given sugar products are again becoming more available. By one example, I called the 1-800 phone number on the back of my Yoplait yogurt about 4 years ago, asking them why they use HFCS when their competition – like Tillamook’s yogurt (an Oregon brand) – used simple sugar in their product. Well, about 2 years ago, I began to see Yoplait using sugar again. In any case, just something to consider as you wade through morass of highly manufactured food products and their labels. Next Year’s Topic: GMO’s … no, we’re not talking about the latest new fangled GM jet-engine automobile that runs on evaporated taco juice. 😉

              • sandy32koufax says:

                I voted yes on the GMO prop two years ago(?)and was disappointed that it didn’t pass. I’m not a health-food guy but “get it” and agree that we should be informed as to the nature of what our food is. Soylent Green, anyone?

                • shoelessinbearvalley says:

                  Yeah, Monsanto and the ‘Gang’ scare Americans into voting “No” on any GMO initiative from Oregon to California to Washington (just last year), for fear that labeling will hike up the food that many today appear to be struggling a bit more to purchase at the local market. Why the hell wouldn’t Americans *want* to know what they are eating? kinda pathetic.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        lol MOW-annapirhana. Reminded me of “Not of This Earth” or “Thing From Another World” or the hypothetical prequel to 50’s sci-fi classic, “The 4-D Man Meets the 2-D Panda”.

      • unca_chuck says:

        I guess it depends on which half.

  21. Chico says:

    No idea what this means, but it was just posted on a Giants group I belong to.

    Via @NathanielGrow 4:48pm:
    San Jose filed a reply brief on its motion to expedite the appeal of its lawsuit vs MLB today. The brief isn’t available yet from the court.

    • xoot says:

      The “reply” brief is San Jose’s standard response to the opposition brief I linked at the top of the blog. I’ll take a look at it and see if it’s worth linking up. Might have something odd in it.

      Nathaniel Grow is a business and law professor at Univ. Ga. He’s probably the leading expert right now on baseball’s A/T exemption. I’ve exchanged email with him since San Jose filed its case. Good guy. He posts on the Sports Law blog.

      I told the AAA’s zealots over on lewballpark.org about Prof. Grow years ago. They called him a dolt, etc. Ignoramuses. Now the guy who runs that blog carries Prof. Grow’s twitter feed. btw, I quit that blog. The proprietor, in a sleazy, dishonest way, panders to his regulars’ irrational hatred of the Giants and Giants fans. The guy is also nothing but a Wolff/Fisher shill.

    • xoot says:

      btw, San Jose’s reply brief on the motion to expedite turns out to be a dud. I’ll be surprised if the 9th Circuit rushes the substantive briefing and oral argument. ML at lewballpark.org put up a post about the reply, in which he discussed a number of legal issues incompetently. I sent him a tweet identifying his two biggest errors. I managed to fit in “execrable.” He tweeted back thanking me and inviting me to return to the blog. Desperate for some life, I guess. No more AAA’s chatter for me, however. Well, maybe I’ll discuss the E Coli occasionally on the dumbeat. But that’s it.

  22. Chico says:

    GeeJaybythebay’s twitter.. LOL


    • sandy32koufax says:

      Strange how GJ has taken “her” fight to us. annapirhanna, have we crossed some sexist line with her or something else that hasn’t occurred to Chico, shoeless or me?

      • xoot says:

        GJ’s just so “wicked smart” it’s hard to communicate with her. Or maybe she thinks she is just so . . . .

      • annapirhana says:

        Er..what are you guys talking about? Is this something on that horrid SF Gate area? As to sexist line, she seems to be a bit of a hockey fan girl.

        • xoot says:

          Yeah, she showed up on the splash last season. Recently, she stridently objected to the “Gamer Babe” promotion and turned her objection into a month-long assault on the Giants generally. Personally, I’m not a fan of the gamer babe schtick, but it doesn’t offend me much, the way K&K play it (including all ages, sizes, races, etc.). Just part of the bs between pitches. I have no interest in debating her, however.

          • shoelessinbearvalley says:

            In 2012, GeeJay’s baseball spirit as a Giants fan came across in the main as a rather harmless but still frenzied Pence-a-holic groupie. I think she may be going through some harder personal times. She’s looking for ‘love’, perhaps, in all the wrong places right now?

  23. Chico says:

    Perhaps I went a bit over the top… Looking back, I’m positive I did. BUT, this Gretchen lady has made life hell for the younger Giants fans on twitter and the blogosphere–putting down younger Giants fans and basically starting fights because she objects to the Giants ‘gamer babes’ group–many of whom are from Napa and the wine country who are completely harmless in their love for Giants baseball. I got some inside info and ran with it, only to see most of my comments (as well as Sandy’s) removed by the mods.. I called in reinforcements, and there you have it.

    If my comments were left alone and intact, what happened between the hours of 5 and 9:30 would have never happened. I’m not putting up with trolls this year.. I will call for backup (not for arguments sake, but for other purposes) when I feel it is needed. I hope you all understand.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Hell, I only just spotted your post here, Chico. There’s really no way one can go ‘over the top’ with the entrenched troll mindsets frequented back on the Splash and elsewhere. Kudos to a tenaciously determined Job Well Done! As Chuck pointed out below, it’s only going to get worse. OTOH, look how datswhatsup, uglyfinder, slipNslider, xoot, sfdf, theshamanator, and even Marklar49 have more or less neutered “scottcousins, alliemdws21, gnatsrock…&company”. 😉

      • Chico says:

        Seriously, the wit of you, Uglyfinder, Xoot, Slip, Shaman, sfdf, datswhatsup and Marklar is really second to none.

        It’s hard to get a good group of knowledgeable, smart, and funny people in one place.. SFGate should treasure that blog and NOT let it go to shits like they have.

        • shoelessinbearvalley says:

          You know, I was thinking basically the same thing, but didn’t feel worthy to say what you express far better than I. 😉

  24. unca_chuck says:

    Had to take a look over there at the Splooge. It’s fricking February, and the trolls are what, about 70-30%?

    It’s only going to get worse as the season gets closer.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      I think some of ‘us’ are better prepared this year to take them on! Last year, the trolls basically ran the Splash pages – no thanks to SFGate support that’s for sure.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Don’t expect viafuckoff to be any help and vk seems to be moving in other directions. The Dumbeat is better moderated for two reasons-Slusser cares about her blog and vk cares about it too…IDThink he gives a shit about the Splash and that’s cool except isn’t he the news or sports administrative editor?

  25. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Notice to SFDF and Chico … I didn’t want to post this over on the Splash, but Chico, your twitter feed reporting was stellar work … lol! and SFDF, your eloquent post on being a fan made for a pleasingly spirited, passionate, and brilliantly (because succinctly) summarized read of what it is to, yes, be a fan – takes a real fan to know a real fan, I’m thinking.

    • Chico says:

      7 deleted comments. Makes me think that BFE was also helping out on that.. That’s how he rolls.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Thanks shoe but I lost four comments there and two at another story…ya, I’m pretty sure the Vacavillian and BfE were in on that more than GJbtB…

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Meh, poor little rich man. IDK “where” he came from but he doesn’t seem to have an understanding at all of the lives that the 99% live.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      “And those who have paid a million dollars in taxes,” he continued, “should have a million votes.” — Now that’s a very novel form of democracy, eh? Our founding fathers was looking for just such a guy to … tar and feather and sent back on a slow boat commissioned by King George himself. 😦

    • annapirhana says:

      What about his failed romance novel? I consider it an entitlement that such a piece of shit was published.

  26. sandy32koufax says:

    Time for a ST thread yet?

  27. sandy32koufax says:

    Cool tunes

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Now I’m fully tuned to Trower…one of the best DOTGreens I went to-Trower, Edgar and Johnny Winters…mucho great music, chemicals, booze, smoke and bare naked ladies 🙂

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Yeah, I hear you. Before you know it, we are all looking back, having to admit we had more fun than we may have been totally cognizant at the time. The kind of fun that in looking back reveals just how obliviously *precious* it all was, if only because I can’t find the way back to those times. Only in memories do they appreciatively live on.

        As Spock would perhaps prove agreeable, “Live On And Prosper,” sfdf. 🙂

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Spock has cancer 😦 Naw, I had my son and grandson over the weekend and was chillin with my boy, he said “Let’s listen to some BTO” so we did then I said “You like Steely Dan, right?” “Yep”…it went from there.

  28. xoot says:

    After politicians in Tenn. threaten economic retaliation if the workers decide to join the UAW, the VW workers reject the union in a close vote. Surprise. Republican legislators spout the rhetoric of rugged individualism but they’re nothing more than the plutocrats’ puppets. I’m pissed off, but it’s really that simple sometimes.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      That’s just sad. Thomas Frank’s book on What’s the Matter of Kansas (I haven’t read it … just know one of Frank’s key claims) observes how ‘middle’ / ‘red’ state Americans have been too often sold on voting against their own (better) interests. Not so unlike selling Californians, Washingtonians, and Oregonians on defeating their own public-driven initiatives, requiring GMO labeling for *fear* of driving up food costs. Why wouldn’t blue state Americans want to know what they might be consuming? Like J. R. Reynolds and the massive tobacco industry, successfully campaigned against pack labeling for some thirty years. Now, if honey bees were permitted to register and cast a vote, the only way for the Agri-Big Money to sell bees on voting against their own best interests would be to kill them all off first ….

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        What’s the Matter [With] Kansas?

        (… even this place could use an “edit” function (something even Amazon.com features in its software … why is this so hard for blog software designers to ‘get’? … or is there some ‘power play’ by website comment boards to not permit editing one’s own words? it’s a mystery.)

    • Chico says:

      I saw that shit, too.. I no longer wish to share this country with republicans. I HATE republicans.. They sure do know how to get their message out and brainwash people, though. What was that old quote by Yevtushenko? Something like ‘why do right wing-bastards stand together in solidarity and liberals fall out amongst themselves’

      So goddamn true.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      We have a union meeting coming up and this is on the agenda. It will be interesting to see what direction the discussion takes.

      • xoot says:

        Heard a UAW person on the radio this a.m. contend that even coming close to winning the NLRB certification election in Tennessee represents a historical improvement.

        Only such election I’ve been involved with, in Berkeley no less, involved a tiny bargaining unit of 15 employees eligible to vote–and 7 of them were ringers, relatives of the owners, etc., hired secretly to work after-hours and weekend shifts to qualify to vote against unionizing. One night just before the election, someone (not one of us union people) smashed a brick through the windshield of the general manager’s car. Much hysteria at work the next day. I figure if a small shop like that (and its lawyers) will engage in such tactics, there’s no limit to what those UAW people faced in Tenn. We won by one vote, btw.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Congrats on beating the odds against a stacked deck, I assume someone realized that their butter would be better spread on THEIR side of the bread than buying the BS from management. Cool outcome.

          It’s amazing to me the anti-union sentiment which has always seemed to exist in most of the south. That it persists today, in far greater percentages is even more astounding. I know people, men and women from Fla to TX to the Carolinas that have been indocrinated to not trust or work union. I get the old carpet-bagger thing but really? You DON’T want to greatly improve your lot in life by earning better wages/benes/etc by working the same jobs? It doesn’t begin and end in the south though, it’s by far the standard in the country anymore. At thjeir height, unions only had about a 47% share of the workforce and that’s been in decline since the 60’s.

          Okay, bad debate tactic but…the Nazis did away with unions too…

  29. annapirhana says:

    Weighing in the whole gamer babe thing here:

    Before I hit puberty, I met two female baseball fans. They were, no doubt, groupies who would bring their little picture albums featuring photos of themselves and a ballplayer. These were not photos taken from the stands or some fan fest (there were no such things back then), but rather pictures taken in parking lots, restaurants or other intimate settings. My sister told me back then to never grow up to be like them. I understood, because these women had nothing better to do than wear high heels to go to the ballgame, and I just wanted autographs.

    Right after puberty, my life went from rabid fan to finding baseballs handed to from players or people who served as a go-between from a player. Before I even reached 18, I was offered rides home, dinner and a whole host of social invitations. Mind you, being Asian, I never looked 18 years old. Somehow, I don’t think that mattered to pampered athletes. I was also safe from their solicitations, hiding behind my age.

    Thus, from 18 until I was married, I pretty much listened to baseball on the radio or sat way back in the CF bleachers. And trust me, they find you there, too. I just never had fantasies of dating a baseball player just because they were either rich or a ballplayer…or a combination of both.

    Now whenever I go on those Giant travel tours to San Diego, there are plenty of older women who hold up gamer babe signs. Younger girls wear little clothing and hang out near the field. During the team breakfasts, when the Giants used to let fans stay in the same hotel as the team, girls just walked up to Timmy and would plant a kiss on his cheek. There is a whole subculture of behavior that exists, where women flaunt their sexuality so openly, as if they were a Goodyear blimp hovering directly above the baseball diamond. Hence, it seem perfectly reasonable that K&K, along with the rest of the baseball universe, would use the moniker “gamer babe”.

    I am indifferent to the moniker, if only because I choose not to fall into that category. If K&K want to use it, that’s fine with me and if other women choose to be classified as such, that is their prerogative. To vehemently protest the term and condemn the women who want to be classifed as gamer babes seems to indicate something else. People in this country are free to be what they want to be or do so long as it is within the law, right?

    You can also not accept the gamer babe moniker as representative of your life, but still love certain players for reasons that have nothing to do with their gameplay.

    I don’t know why this person badgers others over the whole gamer babe thing. Why is it any of her business what people choose to do or how they wish to be viewed? Yeah, I do see the fan girl element there for her. I wonder what she would do if Hunter Pence suddenly appeared in her bedroom? I am not gamer babe mindset at all, but I’d knock over a few walls and pillars to stare at Gregory Fitoussi. And I wouldn’t blame any other person if they’d want to do the same.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      MOW, in no way has “this person” come across to me as an activist / feminist. If she did, I owe it to my mother and all woman seeking equal pay and equal respect in society a lot more attention.

      However – and I can only really guess at what’s going on in this person’s head (or gut), she has gone through some social rejection (probably personal) which has come out in a rush of fits, anger, and finger-pointing (scapegoating other(s) in order to try / hope to feel better about herself).

      And with the internet providing so much hopeful anonymity, she feels more ’empowered’ – the opposite of perhaps how she feels in her perhaps power-less offline world of activity(s) – by exploiting it for her own hopeful gain.

      I frankly just find it churlish (never use that word … better look it up first …) and unbecoming conduct to incessantly harp, rag, and trash others – whether “gamer-babes” or Vogelsong … there’s just got to be a limit to what a Giants fan will take without fingering back! 😉

      • annapirhana says:

        So I guess this person wouldn’t be the ultimate dark long haired heiress of the boards, right? You know, the one that can pick up wifi while stranded up in Mt. Nowhere with the other elite and their power boats.

        I might have to make it back on the SF Gate boards just to see this person in action. Her name is Gretchen?

      • annapirhana says:

        Well, okay. I saw what she wrote on the Brandon Belt thread.

        It’s piss poor to leave a team over the gamer babe thing. I would only switch allegiances if I were a Dodger fan, or if I had your standard dramatic soap opera style memory loss where you tend to do things contrary to what you normally do/love/think. (That’s how they build their love triangles, mmhmm!). I also saw the make me a sandwich thing, so perhaps baiting her isn’t going to make her see that she’s taking things way too seriously.

        I would caution you, however, to be careful where you tread. I don’t like the whole gamer babe thing for reasons that have to do with a personal experience involving violence against women long ago. You don’t know if such a past exists for her. It’s not something women like to talk about, whereas their reactions to certain trigger things might speak volumes.

      • xoot says:

        She bragged quite a bit last season about the games she attended and how her boss indulged her absences because she’s so smart and valuable. She wasn’t kidding. the sophistryne character is absurd and never takes himself so seriously.

        • annapirhana says:

          Well, I checked out the twitter feeds. Not sure what to make of it. Spoke a bit to Chico about it, and all I can gather is that she is an uber fan girl with some graphic skills. All of that is fine, but to berate young girls who don’t mind the whole “gamer babe” moniker is a bit much.

          As to the bragging about game attendance and our mutual friend who might still be in PA attending elite college on society dad’s money, one can make claims to just about anything as making statements on the internet is almost equivalent to shouting into an empty canyon. Just don’t get caught.

          • sandy32koufax says:

            Thanks for the insight. I’d considered parts of that but not all, which is why I asked you, specifically. BTW? Dodger dudes don’t defect!

  30. annapirhana says:

    All these stories of Panda “growing up” reminds me of that scene from Full Metal Jacket when they beat up Private Pyle during his sleep, no?

  31. Chico says:

    I’m the mood for this. Just because. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNFQw8VIvA

  32. unca_chuck says:

    Well, Gretchen, or GJ or whatever, hasn’t left. She’s just disavowed following the team (?) but keeps posting on their blog? Right.

    Much like Soph though, she backs herself into corners and just moves on as if nothing happened. The only thing she counts on is blogger turnover to garner reactions from new people.

  33. Chico says:

    This chico_escuela cat is yet another one of his accounts.

  34. Chico says:

    18 DEAD

    • annapirhana says:

      Terrible. It’s now up to 20. A bit livid that these fascists are tearing the country apart. REAL fascists, and not the imaginary ones featuring afro POTUS of the tea party making.

      BTW…any opinions on the Golden Dawn and Hungary’s own plummet into fascism?

      I have decided that LeMonde is a better paper than the London Times for reporting, but I have to mostly depend upon Google Translator. In any case, this situation has been front/center for a few days. SF Gate has a tiny blurb to the side in what is a horrible horrible situation that has been described as the Tienanmen Square of the Ukraine.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        GD is a frightening and very real threat to the stability of a weakened Greek state in the same manner that Germany was in the 30’s. A dynamic yet extreme group whose existence is marginal at best yet somehow has managed to gain seats in the Hellenic Parliament. From the symbols they employ to the rhetoric and ideology of GD, they are today’s Nazi party reborn in a national govt. They threaten more than Greece but the entire region should they gain enough seats in parliament.

  35. unca_chuck says:

    Interesting or vile. You make the call!

    The problem is, the people have been completely disengaged from the running of the country. Nothing really matters. Voting? The country is gerrymandered to the point of stalemate.

    Republican or Democrat doesn’t even matter anymore. Both sides wallow in the trough of lobbyist money and special interest groups. 80% of their time in office is dedicated to remaining in office.

    I’m having a wonderful debate with a guy on my blog about it.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      When Ross Perot ran the first time, I thought becoming an Indie voter would lead to a viable third party which wasn’t owned the way the D’s and R’s are. That party growth has come but the laws about candidates being either or truncate the ability of a third party to exist in reality.

      Give him hell, Chuck!

    • Chico says:

      It looks more like you are talking issues and he’s just name calling.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Someone from the DNC HAS to out this guy as a unionized UAW employee at Chrysler…hilarious

      Good snag, Chico

      • sandy32koufax says:

        It’s like, when the right abandoned *Joe* he went straight to the left and got a union job. Hate this tired saying but…”you cannot make this stuff up!”

        • Chico says:

          Did you know that food stamps cost the the American tax payer about $36 a year?

          Did you know that subsidies to large Corporations cost the American tax payer well over $600 a year?

          Poor people aren’t the problem.

  36. Chico says:

    Belt and Giants agree to a little over the mid-way point.

  37. sandy32koufax says:

    I just toasted “clickbait”

  38. sandy32koufax says:

    I’ve lost 6 comments in 5 minutes.

    All are offensive in this manner:

    sanfradodgerfan Rank 7

    I’m doing Elvis now? MUCH, not “mush”

    Note that it is addressed to me on my own misspelling!

    • sandy32koufax says:

      This fucker. I hope VK will re-instate my acct. I told you this fuck was a sociopath. As I write this loser fuck has had 15 of my comments deled…NOW it’s time to call his bosses.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Make that 16…dickhead.

        geekshowwinner Rank 32
        Maybe the tea party could take back the Ukraine, and let America find some peace.

        2 hours ago 2 Likes


        Content disabled
        sanfradodgerfan Rank 17

        You are one of the funniest guys on here and have been for years…

  39. Chico says:

    The longest read ever. Surely biased, but some good points are made, and some not so good stories are shared. http://stories.weather.com/fracking

    • annapirhana says:

      Fracking is against the in France, but an American company is suing to reverse this. France is a country that is very anti-GMO, with their amazing food being one of the greatest gifts to mankind. It would be natural that the French would oppose fracking, and its residual environmental horrors, especially for the damage it poses to the food chain.

      Texas, on the other hand, is run by someone whose DNA was dipped in a high school chemistry set. They seem to want to destroy everything in the name of money. Some people don’t believe in uncontrolled capitalism, which is probably why they enjoy a great joy of life.

  40. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, I’m back to being Independent. Mainly just to avoid the preliminary bullshit.

    FIrst guy I voted for was John Anderson back in 1980. He made way too much sense to be even a blip on the radar.

    • unca_chuck says:

      Primary bullshit I meant to say.

    • Chico says:

      I re-registered to independent just to vote for Tom Campbell (R) some years back.. I figured if Boxer was going to go down, at least she would be replaced by a moderate like Tom. But no, who did they nominate? HP tanker Fiorina.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        I’ve never registered Indie but I’ve voted for several Indie candidates. The vast amounts of money in the two main parties makes any third party a nonstarter until such time as the Indie party puts forth highly popular and competent candidates at higher levels of Govt. Ya there have been a relative handful of electees to higher office, but in the main the Indie party remains a voter drain on one major party candidate rather than a viable player in most elections.

        Anderson didn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell mainly due to blue and red money but also due to the attractiveness of Murrika feeling good about having a cowboy prez after the *Iranian hostage crisis* Anderson was THE best candidate for prez but he looked too academic and didn’t project as a warhawk. Hey, I could be wrong but that’s how I remember it.

  41. unca_chuck says:

    When you look at what Freeman got, you gotta wonder, if Belt is even halfway decent, if the try to sign himn long term. Get a Madbum discount.

    Either Bummie isn’t really concerned about the coin, or he’s kicking himslef for leaving about $60 mill on the table.

    • datswhatsup says:

      I get the feeling they are not sold on Belt just yet, I think they may be willing to pay more after a big 2014 rather than buy too early.

      Sandoval is the issue, his belly (if it returns) should not crush his career for another 4+ years, so a 5 year deal may be lower risk since dude can play when fat and what’s the option (Arias?).

      My fear is after a big 2014 and he’ll be rocking Doyer Blue in 2015.

  42. datswhatsup says:

    Airport delays are bad for my attitude.

    I went after anything with a pulse on the Dumbeat and Splash, too much coffee?

  43. xoot says:

    All this chatter about Belt’s payday is strange to me. He was a super two, but not of the Lincecum (CY, then $9M to avoid arb) or Posey (ROY, MVP, then $8M to avoid arb plus long-term) caliber. But Belt made it to arb a year early and finished 2013 with something like an .840 OPS. So he gets a big boost for 2014. If he rakes this year, he’ll earn more. Makes perfect sense.

    Also, the angst over finalizing the deal in Fla. just before the arb hearing is silly, Everyone’s there who needs to be there to wheel and deal and sign–no distractions from the bidness at hand, each side knows the strengths and weaknesses in its case. Happens on the courthouse “steps” all the time.

  44. unca_chuck says:

    Xoot, it’s just that Belt’s numbers aren’t very far from a guy like reeman, and he raked major coin.

    The fear with Belt (and Panda for that matter) is he rakes, the Giants drag their feet, and the Dodgers/Yankees get his monster years.

    • xoot says:

      Atlanta’s folly has nothing to do with Belt, who is still locked up for a while. Freeman’s making $5M this year, $8M next. Belt may get an $8M offer from the Giants for next year and some length on a contract–if he rakes. If not, the Giants can still go year to year and wait to see. Also Freeman’s numbers were somewhat better than Belt’s last year alone; although I don’t understand why Atlanta made the long-term commitment they did. I understand the comparable Giants’ commitment to Posey.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Uribe is at the end of his shelf life and Gonzo may not have many years left in the tank. Sounds good to me…

  45. Chico says:

    Homer Bailey.. 6 yrs, 105 million? This is madness.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      The person who wrote this impressed me, this is a repost by Marnita from a comment either earlier or from a different site by APMOTRBC:

      “Marnita S. (APMOTRBC)
      SUPER USER·1,304 Fans·Urban Warrior Princess of The Table!
      You do understand:

      1. This is a free market concept. This is VW speaking and not the unions.VW doesn’t have to go anywhere their workers don’t feel workers are supported enough. The plant in Tennessee is the only plant in their system that doesn’t treat workers with respect. They want economies of scale. Having a plant that operates so far outside the way that all other plants operate is inefficient.

      2. The republicans threatened VW that if they encouraged union participation that they would lose all of their tax benefits from job creation in that market. Now ponder that for a minute. The politicians of a state threatened to harm a company that wanted to bring better worker representation and higher pay to their region. They intentionally tried to force a company that would treat workers better with threats of unfair treatment if they did so even though VW would be costing the state less in benefits to workers by paying them enough.

      3. The republicans were continually completely untruthful about VW’s position. They explicitly said that if workers voted for the union that VW might not expand in that market, all the while threatening VW if they did promote the union with pulling any tax advantages for expanding in the state. the opposite was true. VW was less inclined to expand anywhere that there wasn’t effective worker representation.

      Welcome to the slave holding states. This is like burning down a plantation because the owner is against holding slaves.”

      • Chico says:

        Impressive knowledge of the situation.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          I Googled APMOTRBC and found several great comments by this person. S/he speaks to various topics authoritatively and with simple eloquence.

          • Chico says:

            Robert Reich
            Whoever imagined that German workers would turn out to be the champions of American unions? Yesterday Volkswagen’s top labor representative threatened to block further investments by the German carmaker in the southern United States if its workers there are not unionized. German workers have considerable influence over company decisions through what’s called “co-determination,” which requires a union. “If co-determination isn’t guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor” of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW’s works council. The 20-member panel – evenly split between labor and management – has to approve any decision on closing plants or building new ones. Undeterred by last Friday’s vote at VW’s plant in Chattanooga, VW’s works council says it will press on with efforts to set up labor representation there.

  46. xoot says:

    The two guys who beat Bryan Stow pleaded guilty and got 4 yrs and 8 yrs. Meanwhile, Tom Girardi in LA will take Stow’s civil suit vs. McCourt/dodgers to trial on May 27. Wonder how the light criminal sentences will impact the civil jury? Probably not as much as Stow’s own testimony on the stand.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Do you know if those were discretionary sentences or did they follow some guideline set forth by law? I am continually amazed by some of the sentences handed out in CA. Shorter sentences for violent crimes, even second and third offenses, and longer ones for “victimless” crimes. The DA had the taped convo, onhand eyewitness accts and offered the plea while dropping several charges. Bad for business, imo.

      Girardi is a very smart guy, McWhoops has big bux to defend himself. Stow will win, for a variety of reasons and I don’t think the plea deal effects the $ amount in favor of Frank. Edge Stow just for being in court, slam dunk when he does like you said, tries to testify.

      It’s a damn shame Lacy didn’t take Norwood and Sanchez to trial imo.

    • Chico says:

      Guilty of attempted murder for murdering someone.. Only in Florida..

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Fucking racists and their enablers…

      • unca_chuck says:

        That’s the stupid part. He’s free and clear for shooting into the car and killing the kid. The amazing thing is they were all in the car at the time of the shooting, so where was the threat? They were all unarmed. It’s when they drove away that he was guilty of something.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Florida is a fucked up state for many reasons, this case is the latest example of it’s institutional racism too. Jan Brewer will probably sign AZ’s latest discriminatory legislation into law as well. IDK about anyone else but I won’t be going to AZ or Fla or buying any products which come from those states.

  47. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    To xoot and other(s) who saw the movie “42”. Given all the shit, epithets, threats, etc.. that Jackie Robinson, went through in order to play major league ball with “white boys,” I couldn’t help observe a similar kind of shitty comparison to what America’s first African-American – Black – president has had to wade through as he moves through the wings of the “White” House. A black man in a white-boy’s House. All the unusual amount of obstruction, filibustering, name-calling (“Liar!” at his first or second (?) State of the Union, etc.) over-the-top Glenn Beck type assessments of possessing “a deep-seated hatred” for white people, etc., is really not so unlike what Jackie experienced at the ‘lower’ level of professional baseball.

    Barack Obama: The Jackie Robinson of our own times?

    The second observation that crossed my mind is that Jackie Robinson’s wife – while virtually unknown – may have been the real key behind his will and wherewithal to succeed when so much appeared stacked against him in ’47. I thought the movie was all the satisfying, given her especial – if little recognized – strength and their mutual love affair.

    Lastly, Harrison Ford, playing the aging Branch Rickey, was surprisingly good in somewhat disappearing into his role, maintaining character throughout. 3 Stars. 🙂

    • Chico says:

      Haven’t seen 42 yet. It’s on my list, though.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        I believe the sequel, “43,” this time directed by John Carpenter turned out far less successful due to heavy budget constraints imposed on him by his producers after his previous unmitigated flop, “Escape From Oakland-Alameda”.

      • xoot says:

        Hey, shoeless, I haven’t seen 42 yet, either. The comment that caught your eye must’ve come from someone else.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Wouldn’t a movie titled “43,” by all rights, be about Lil Shrub 😉 ?

          • shoelessinbearvalley says:

            sfdf (good one 😉 ) aka, “43 – The Little Shrub Who Snubbed Papa Shrub” – A Truly Depressing Tale of Arrogant Illiteracy of the T-Leaves, Preemptive ‘anti-Christian’ Ethics, Tax Cuts to the the backside of the Moon, and Deflationary Wall Street Pink Floyd Lunacy – tentative scheduled to be directed by The Coen Brothers and released before Halloween 2015.

        • shoelessinbearvalley says:

          Hey, xoot, sorry about that – it must have been “unglyfinder,” or I think “datswhatsup” from the Splash who observed, that having just seen “42” his anticipation for the coming season had just been heightened.

          Spoiler Alert for Sandy32Koufax and others here who have yet to see the somewhat melodramatic “42”! … the number “42” is currently the only officially retired number in all of baseball that comes with a preemptive legal clause, specifically forbidding John Carpenter from attempting to call his next projected sci-fi horror flick, “John Carpenter’s 42” – an all too frightening – and real – story (just see Fox News Brit Hume’s Special Report for fantastic proof!) about 42 vampires who invade Barrow, Alaska during the 30 days and nights when the sun never rises above the horizon … a perfect setting for … oh, wait, that one’s already been done. scratch that one, John.

    • xoot says:

      I’m a bit preoccupied by other litigation issues, but I’m surprised at the 9th Cir decision. Two things–the 9th cir judges who actually will hear the appeal aren’t the same ones who decided to expedite, so no tip of the hand. Also, San Jose now has only two weeks to get its opening brief done–tight time for an appellate brief. mlb will have 4 weeks to prepare its response. And watch for mlb to revive its lack-of-standing argument. (If you’re watching. 😉 )

      Be careful what you wish for. From the order:

      “Appellants’ opposed motion to expedite briefing and hearing on appeal is granted. The opening brief is due March 5, 2014. The answering brief is due April 4, 2014. The optional reply brief is due within 14 days after service of the answering brief.

      “This case shall be placed on the next available calendar after the completion of briefing. Any request for an extension of time to file a brief is disfavored and must be made under Ninth Circuit Rule 31-2.2(b). No streamline requests for extensions of time in which to file briefs will be approved.”

      You may get it.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Chico and I were discussing this last night and for the reasons you cited above and earlier in this thread, I said this sounds like a dismissal waiting to happen. SJ and Wolffco are making the wrong argument

  48. sandy32koufax says:

    Hey, it’s JDR’s BIRTHDAY!

  49. unca_chuck says:

    Not to drag football back here, but apparently a trade was nixed by Jim Harbaugh that would have sent Harbaugh to the Cleveland Browns for Cleveland’s first 2 picks in 2014 plus Josh Gordon.

    Yowza. Contract ploy by Harbaugh, or is Baalke getting tired of Jimbo?

    • annapirhana says:

      Hah! That would have been a sweet trade. I’m not the biggest Harbaugh fan. Can we throw in the York family?

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Ya…Harbaugh is the best thing to happen to the 9ers, imo, since Steve Young. That said, do get rid of the Yorksters and bring back Eddie D, he KNOWS “how to.”

  50. annapirhana says:

    Had a conversation with a Tea Party friend, a gentleman who wants to abolish the EPA, OSHA and any and all taxes on his $20k a year salary.

    He expressed his desire to move to France to be away from American government policies.

    Are there people in this country really that stupid?

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Ya…you saw me on FB last night and despite my own special brand of stupidity, I got SO into it with a bunch of old schoolmates, mostly living in Tejas now, that have become tea fools. As seriously deficient as I am intellectually, I ran circles around them all-7 of them-and none could refute my positions or debunk the truth. Sad but funny.

      So, short answer? A resounding YES THEY ARE!

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        APA, sadly yes. So, despite all of today’s mass media razzle-dazzle, and hyperlinks to the Dredge Report, etc., way too many Americans suffer from Low Information Syndrome. As George Soros admitted slightly before the 2008 campaign, (to paraphrase), “There is Class Warfare in America, and My Class is winning.” Big Money interests have got us right where they hope to keep us for eternity …. 😦

        • annapirhana says:

          One of my favorite punk songs was “Class Wars”. Unfortunately, one of the band members from the group that sang this marvelous song has now turned TP.

  51. sandy32koufax says:

    Cal brainiac from Cupertino on Jeopardy

    • xoot says:

      fought his way back from losses in light-weight categories the others feasted on, with his bets based on tough science stuff, and then he blew it all in science. Classic Cupertino kid at Cal. Good guy though. The young woman from Princeton deserved to win.

      Couple decades back, I played softball in Alaska with a guy who was a three-time jeopardy winner. Unusual fellow.

  52. unca_chuck says:

    Is it true Puig showed up pig-like? Heard he was about 30 lb overweight

  53. xoot says:

    I don’t play fantasy baseball, so I know a lot more about the Giants than any other system, but Tyler Colvin’s name seemed very familiar to me. Now I recall why. This is from wikipedia:

    “On September 19, 2010, in a game against the Florida Marlins, Colvin was hit in the chest with a shard from a broken bat when scoring on a double by Welington Castillo. The piece of bat punctured Colvin’s lung. Colvin was brought to the hospital and remained in stable condition. He missed the remainder of the 2010 season due to the incident.”

  54. Chico says:

    I’ve been doing this facebook thing and have had a good time chatting with former Giant Mike LaCoss.. ibaseballchannel.com They do some pretty interesting podcasts. Very enjoyable. Mike’s a great guy.

  55. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Is it just my internet (ATT U-verse) connection, but for the past number of days, SF Gate repeatedly hangs, repeatedly won’t “submit” my post without reloading the page at least one or two more times, won’t accept my “Like”, tonight shows 3 comments about Bochy’s Buster Posey decision, but then won’t accept my submit, so I reload the page only to find the 3 comments are now invisible …. Is anyone else experiencing anything like this? I mean it seems pointless to keep whining or filing a complaint with whoever, because nothing has really been done to improve the blog experience ever since Viafoura ‘gave’ us our avatars back …. Is it possible all the adobe flash / shockware / advertising schemes at SFGate are simply taxing my internet connection – which is maxes out around 356 kb/sec (slow – but that’s the best ATT can do in the high country). Viafoura – assuming it’s not my connection – just gets seems to get suckier by the day when it should be getting more streamlined and polished. bah! 😦

    • Chico says:

      It is not your connection Shoeless – been having the same exact problems. Won;t load, when it does, multiple posts saying the same thing, etc.. That place is all fucked up.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Thanks, Chico. SfGate screwed up royally when they employed the V incomps.

        • shoelessinbearvalley says:

          I sent SFGate Support my final request (what’s the point to go on and on about this crap?) to review Viafoura’s current employment status, citing all the continuing user-atrocious reasons why … it’s SFGate’s call to make (or is it? one too might wonder).

    • annapirhana says:

      Was wondering if they went the way of the London Times and decided to disable user comments for certain stories. Their software is garbage. No one likes it, except the Gate. Bad business.

  56. shaman138 says:

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    @scottcousins Hey, whatever happened to ol’ Scott Cousins, anyway? I became so preoccupied with 2012 MVP and World Series champion Buster Posey to notice either way…

    That site is a complete joke. I discovered this after it froze my computer for five minutes…complete garbage software. I’m curious as to what sort of wanky back-room deal went on between them and sfgate to get this Viahorror on board.

    • Chico says:

      I just tried commenting there and the Splash will not load.. Not on Safari. Not on FF, Not on Chrome..
      Heads should roll for this ridiculous piece of shit software..

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        I have now come to expect not to get a response from SFGate Support, but I’ll cut and paste my email to them from yesterday and forward it to John Boehner and see if he can get some T-Party approved legislation through the House to remove any Viafoura subsidies for the blind, deaf, and dumb.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      It’s outrageous, shaman. I don’t get SFGate’s / V’s moderation policy. I don’t get the crappy software. And yet it’s the Giants ‘home page’ – it’s like being caught between a mules-head and a rock.

  57. annapirhana says:

    I wrote a short story from my childhood, where the downstairs flat went from being a family home to a house of naked women and orgies. Read it if you get a chance and leave a comment so I can learn to write better: http://slowsuburbandeath.com/2014/02/26/san-francisco-stories-julie-do-you-love-me/

  58. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    FYI … sandy32 already suggested it about a hundred posts ago, but I’m thinkin’ whoever has the ‘keys’ to the top of the page needs to consider turning over a new leaf?

  59. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    I heard Murpn n’ Mac interview Brandon Crawford this morning. He’s a very headed (and likable) guy. I enjoyed his description of the Giants new LF, Morse, who he described as a cross between “the somewhat goofy” Ryan Theriot 🙂 and an almost, but not quite as intense – because no one is – Hunter Pence 😉 … a great guy to have in the clubhouse. Team chemistry could be shaping up to be something special with all these guys, including Pablo and Lincecum too as always.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      editor: “level-headed” as opposed to “headed” … which Brandon is too, I suppose, given he comes across to me as highly intelligent, but understated and unassuming.

    • annapirhana says:

      Morse is awesome cute. You probably weren’t expecting that remark.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Of course, we were. It’s just we manly guys prefer to describe other guys more like “cool” instead of the clearly less manly “cute”. I personally reserve “cute” for my pet box turtle, right after he pokes his head out after an all nighter of heavy partying,

        • annapirhana says:

          Heavy partying turtle. Is your turtle named Gamera?

          Sorry…my mind and heart belong to Japanese monsters.

          • shoelessinbearvalley says:

            I tried Rodan (in homage to one of my fav’s from that period) but ultimately decided upon “Ultra-Tortoise,” superhero and protector to the rights of box turtles everywhere.

  60. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    FYI, The following excerpt came today from Alan Grayson (House Rep in Florida) – which is a touch long, but one or more of you may find a worthy read and worthwhile tribute to the comedian, Bill Hicks.


    Twenty years ago today, brilliant comedian Bill Hicks died of cancer, at the age of 32 … In honor of Bill Hicks, we yield this platform to him. This is how Hicks ended his performances:

    [To the audience:] You’ve been fantastic, and I hope you enjoyed it. There is a point [to my act]. Is there a point to all of this? Let’s find a point.

    Is there a point to my act? I would say there is. I have to.

    The world is like a ride, in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it’s real, because that’s how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down, and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it’s very brightly colored, and it’s very loud and it’s fun. For a while.

    Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: “Is this real, or is this just a ride?”

    And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, and they say, “Hey, don’t worry. Don’t be afraid, ever. Because this is just a ride.”

    And we . . . kill those people. Ha-ha!

    “Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride! Shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real.”

    It’s just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And we let the demons run amok.

    But it doesn’t matter, because it’s just a ride, and we can change it any time we want. It’s only a choice. No effort. No worry. No job. No savings and money.

    [It’s] a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one.

    Here’s what we can do to change the world, right now, into a better ride: Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defense each year and, instead, spend it feeding, clothing, and educating the poor of the world – which it would do many times over, not one human being excluded. And we can explore space together, both inner and outer, forever. In peace.

    Thank you very much, you’ve been great. I’ve hoped you enjoyed it. You’re fantastic! Thank you! Thank you very much. [Hicks then falls to the ground, as if he were dead.]

    Bill Hicks, R.I.P.

  61. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    300 comments … time to turn the page?

    • annapirhana says:

      A bit infuriating to watch, but oh, so true.

      When I was attending USF and trying to be a rock journalist/DJ on the punk scene, I also had to work a job to support myself. Meanwhile, there were tons of art students, musicians and stragglers from the suburbs who poured into the city and found ways to get themselves on the dole. They came from good families that provided for them until they were old enough to leave, then made sure that the state/federal provided their livelihood while they played music, experimented with drugs and pretended to be poverty brethren to their Brixton kindred out in England. They had no idea that the British wanted nothing to do with American punks, and those of us who came from poor families could do nothing but look at these trogs with contempt. I never understood why anyone would want to be poor, because I grew up broke. I mean, the whole SLA demanding that the Heart family give out bags of grocery to the poor was a huge boon for our family, and we also got to enjoy lots of government cheese, bread and powdered milk. I suppose opening up such coffers, if they should still exist, would just be the worst sin on the planet (next to homosexuality and birth control).

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      The biggest “welfare queen”: Walmart, “mooching” the federal government to subsidize all its low wage – underpaid workers. IOW’s, companies / corporations who fail to pay their workers a “living wage” exploit the government, knowing it will subsidize their workers’ low wages via food stamp programs, etc.. And, yet, at the same time the conservative corporate enablers in Congress continue to seek cuts in these same blue-collar food stamp subsidies. This scheme will eventually seep through to the poor who will rise up to not just accept “welfare” … they will “take it” / demand it. I look forward to that day.

  62. unca_chuck says:

    Right. It’s the whole immigration issue all over again. These large agribusinesses hire illegals to do the grunt work and pour money into republican (and Dem) coffers while the Republicans bemoan the illegals in the country. Bush paid lip servcice to doing something, but since he’s a Republican the fact that he skated didn’t matter.

  63. unca_chuck says:

    Didn’t realize that there were that many justices . . .

  64. annapirhana says:


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