BASEBALL NEWS, WEEK OF 10/14 – 10/20

Sunday, October 20
San Francisco Giants News
Happy birthday to the Dominican Dandy, Juan Marichal.

TV Today:
NFL Football: San Francisco 49ers v. Tennessee Titans – 1:05 pm PST

Saturday, October 19
— The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that the Atlanta Braves may be interested in trading Dan Uggla for Cincinnati Red Brandon Phillips. This might surprise some Dodger fans, who have already counted Phillips as their own for 2014.
— Drama with the Seattle Mariners? Outfielder Carlos Peguero‘s wife Maria used a debit card belonging to the wife of Felix Hernandez to charge nearly $180,000 worth of merchandise from Saks Fifth Avenue. Charges have been filed with the US Secret Service.

TV Today:
College Football: UGLY Bruins v. Stanford Cardinals – 12:30 pm PST/ESPN2
AL Division Series: Detroit Tiggers v. Baastan Red Sox – 5:00 pm PST/FOX
College Football: Oregon State Beavers v. California Golden Bears – 7:30 pm PST/ESPN2


Friday, October 18
San Francisco Giants News
— Per NBC Bay Area, Tim Lincecum will test free agency before entertaining any offers from the team.

TV Today:
NL Division Series: lost Angeles Booodgers v. St. Louis Cardinals – 5:30 pm PST/FOX


Thursday, October 17
TV Today:
AL Division Series: Baaastan Red Sox v. Detroit Tiggers – 5:00 pm PST/FOX
NFL Football: Seattle Seachickens v. Arizona Cardinals – 5:25 pm PST/NFL Network
NHL Hockey: San Jose Sharks v. Dallas Stars – 5:30 pm PST/CSN Bay Area


Wednesday, October 16
(10:09am) The Chicago White Sox have finalized the July 29 trade of All-Star reliever Jesse Crain to Tampa Bay on Wednesday, acquiring left-hander Sean Bierman and infielder Ben Kline and cash from the Tampa Bay Rays.

TV Today:
NL Division Series: Lost Angeles Boodgers v. St. Louis Cardinals – 1:07 pm PST/TBS
AL Division Series: Baaastan Red Sox v. Detroit Tiggers – 5:00 pm PST/FOX


Tuesday, 10/15
— Per MLB Trade Rumors, there is mutual interest between the New York Yankees and St. Louis Cardinal Carlos Beltran.

San Francisco Giants News
— According to an unnamed source, Tim Lincecum has a two-year deal on the table from the San Francisco Giants.

TV Today:
AL Division Series: Baaastan Red Sox v. Detroit Tiggers – 1:00 pm PST/FOX
NHL Hockey: San Jose Sharks v. St. Louis Bloos – 5:00 pm PST/CSN Bay Area
NL Division Series: Lost Angeles Boodgers v. St. Louis Cardinals – 5:07 pm PST/TBS


Monday, 10/14
— Per John Shea, Oaktown A’s Sonny Gray (what a name) will have surgery to repair yjr ulnar collateral ligament tear in left thumb/

TV Today:
NL Division Series: Lost Angeles Boodgers v. St. Louis Cardinals – 5:07 pm PST/TBS
NFL Football: Andrew Luck v. San Diego Chargers – 5:40 pm PST/ESPN
NFL Football: Arizona Cardinals v. San Francisco 49ers – 1:07 pm PST/FOX


Sunday, 10/13
TV Today:
NFL Football: Oaktown Raiders v. Kansas City Chefs – 10:00 am PST/CBS
NFL Football: Arizona Cardinals v. San Francisco 49ers – 1:07 pm PST/FOX
AL Division Series: Detroit Tiggers v. Boston Red Sox – 5:07 pm PST/FOX


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302 Responses to BASEBALL NEWS, WEEK OF 10/14 – 10/20

  1. shoelessinlassen says:

    More Tidbits from the LAD Message Boards

    “I am disgusted!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait till next year.”

    “The Dodgers haven’t shown any grit, toughness, or ability to hit in the clutch in this series.”

    “Maybe it’s time to stop signing washed up’d all stars and look to the farm system and hire a hitting couch that can get the most out’ve Puig at the plate, right now he looks like a high school player, no ideal what he is doing!”

    “The bats of April are back …”

    “The Cards seem confident while our team does not exemplify confidence with no WS since 1988, to me big difference.”

    “But who can lead a turnaround when they look dead and lifeless? Guess that’s not one of Don’s skills either.”

    “… we all know most of the big names are overpaid(about $100,000,000 more than the Cardinals), but it is so disappointing when so many Dodger fans seem to care more than the players do.”

    “League, and Beckett have huge contracts, how can we get rid of them. We can’t.”

    “I think we’re all upset. You don’t want to see your team go down in flames in the NLCS but lets see what happens at home before we all cave.”

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      Two more to add,

      “How can he [Hanley] not play in this game? If he played with one arm he’s better than the garbage this team has on the bench, be a man and play, what a joke. Typical modern day “athlete”, any excuse to not play and collect a pay check.”

      and last but perhaps the most ‘disappointing’,

      “Looks like another disappointment. You realize, all the news for the next 6 months will be that the Dodgers choked with on of that money.”

      And the above sums up – for me – the fan, who if things don’t go easy and planned out perfectly on paper or in their own fantasy baseball dreams, they instantly fall into self-defeatism. Such a ‘fan’ of the game really doesn’t get it. Because, there is never a truer lesson in not just baseball but in life, itself, “It aint over ’till it’s over”.

      • shoelessinlassen says:

        “It aint over ’till it’s over” … but, I agree, things look pretty grim for the Dogs. 😐

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Not quite “Go Time” but as near as you wanna get without “Going.”

          Gotsta put runs up these next three. Ryu is the only thing I’m worried abt, not Wainwright and company.

          • shoelessinlassen says:

            I agree. Ryu will have to bring his game … either that, or like his last start, the Dog’s bats were so hot it didn’t matter.

  2. xoot says:

    “samwiched” says mccarver, as if he’s identified le mot juste. fucking idiot.

  3. sandy32koufax says:

    Pedroia is an unreal fielder

  4. xoot says:

    the kid from woodland gets it done

  5. sandy32koufax says:

    Hunter looks more and more lost in the field

  6. shoelessinlassen says:

    Gotta wonder why it took Red Sox manager so long to pull Buchholz in the 6th.

  7. sandy32koufax says:

    Great effort. He used to catch that and make it look easy…hope he really is alright though.

  8. shoelessinlassen says:

    Wow. What an improbable, near miraculous comeback with an assist from Detroit closer, Benoit. Still, I like Verlander back home in game 3.

  9. xoot says:

    the bums are on the board thanks to an error and a bloop double
    the fans in LA saw a shellacking

    BTW, these radio and TV announcers who think your eBay plays third for LA crack me up

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      Cardinals defense has been anything but post season stellar tonight. This game should be tied, 0-0 going into the 8th.

  10. Chico says:

    So tonight’s the night when SFGate goes to yet another new platform. Maybe this one will block the ability to rig the system.. But I’m not optimistic.

    • xoot says:

      Ill be interested to see how they try to exercise con-troll. I dont spend much time there these days, but I get the sense their traffic is way down. Their premium chron product, on the other side of the paywall, can’t be doing well. I hope they jettison those lame slide-show posts. Seems like an obvious ploy to inflate the number of hits on the site.

  11. shoelessinlassen says:

    Just checked in at SFGate and no observable changes yet.

    Meanwhile, the “two year” offer on the table to Lincecum might suggest the Giants might be willing to go as much as a three year contract – like the 4 year offer to Pence, which ultimately wound up as a 5 year deal.

    And, lastly, the NY Yankees interest in Beltran makes any pickup by the Giants much less likely. Gotta think Carlos would favor bat-friendly Yankee Stadium over AT&T any day or night game.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      The gate announcement says the 16th so IDK if that means sometime tonight or tomorrow night, re a new platform.

      Lincecum for more than two? Gotta wonder what his contract is going to be structured like-incentive laden as opposed to big pay?

      I am hating Beltran right now. Carpenter and their entire staff so far too. If LA doesn’t somehow pull this out, I will root for San Luis, I’m a fan of theirs. And ya, I’d like to see Beltran go the AL πŸ˜‰

  12. Chico says:

    Punto was going to steal 3rd but got picked off.. Overly aggressive will kill ya more times than not.

  13. xoot says:

    Driving home from work this evening I heard Orel on the radio lamenting the fact that only “25%” of the dodger fans were making noise. Things haven’t improved. Thank fucking god there aren’t any beach balls. . . .

  14. Chico says:

    Ballgame! And the Dodgers need to stop piping in the noise on the sound system. That’s pretty weak.

  15. xoot says:

    To be fair, Hanley showed some serious grit pushing himself against that cracked rib. Who knew he had character?

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      Yeah, but if he hadn’t, Krukow would have been on his case big time tomorrow morning on the Murph n’ Mac show.

  16. sandy32koufax says:

    You guys crack me up. Anything Dodgers gets a wah from y’all.

  17. shoelessinlassen says:

    Mattingly’s got a tough job, managing a hobbled Ethier and Ramirez. But, no PR for Ethier in the 9th? strange.

    It does seem a bit sad to me that for all the great Ethier years – when the Dodgers went nowhere, now that he’s in the NLCS, he’s a hobbling shell of his former naturally gifted self. Talk about bad timing to be a Dodger.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      I had a convo w/o MOW earlier this season about Donnie’s “fit” in LA. I said I didn’t know how he’d do but if he could bring those guys together as a team he’d have done something no one was expecting, or words to that effect. I think he fumbled the ball in the playoffs a few times with bad moves (Pinch running Dee G for Agon?) but overall I’d say he’s earned a reprieve and an extension. The beauty of giving such an extension is that you can always fire the coach…or be grateful for retaining him. I’m still not sold on dude but he did see a huge coming together the second half this year.

  18. mailorderwife says:

    I wonder if Mattingly will give a pep talk comparing their situation to the glorious men in orange and black, who came back from a 3-1. “The San Francisco Giants became world champions. Today, you must be San Francisco Giant….”

  19. sandy32koufax says:

    Grinder goes next?

  20. Chico says:

    Meanwhile, do you think we will default? If so, what will happen?

    • sandy32koufax says:

      IDK constitutional law. For instance, is it legal for the president to intervene via the 14th? Can SCOTUS issue some sort of order to force a resolution? If not? Ya, I’m thinking the TPeople are insane enough, cuz it does seem to be their agenda, to allow the date to pass and plunge us into an even worse situ than the past 7 yrs. IDK what they can possibly “gain” from this sort of action, in real terms, but it does seem to be their goal. My job will be fucked.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        IDWant to come off the pessimist but…global depression? WTF knows

        • Chico says:

          A severe recession no doubt. Why don’t the republicans understand that defaulting will cost us trillions? They’re fucking morons.

      • shoelessinlassen says:

        If we do, it’s all on the Speaker’s head – perhaps, “the weakest there ever was” (to borrow from The Natural in an upside down world sort of way). 😦

      • mailorderwife says:

        This is a very shitty situation that will impact the world economy. I’m sure neither France nor Germany bargained for this, and the World Bank has every right to be angry over this situation. I just do NOT understand how these stupid tea partiers can believe they are on some sort of mission from God when their economic stupidity, denial of global warming, gun toting pro-life hypocrisy, uneducated racist asses are setting us on the path to ruin. I won’t even mention their Bible toting ways as it would be an insult to God, who is probably doing a few face palms by now. I am hoping that the 1% step in and burn the pubic hairs of the Koch brothers until they give the signal to GIVE IN, but some people just don’t like to lose…to the detriment of good people.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          I read a great POV from a German and a Norwegian pol re the TP and America’s response to us “socializing” healthcare. They both said one thing which struck a chord that you too have played, MOW, that since Americans go to church and claim to “be religious” at a far higher rate of either of those two nations (which both have better life exp rates and health coverage than we do) that it seems extremely unChristian of those in opposition to Obamacare, which they find baffling.

          • Chico says:

            It’s scary stuff.. I try to keep my mind off of it like watching baseball and such, but I have two young children.. My family and I didn’t ask for this shit at all. My dad is coming unglued. He’s never seen anything like this before. Petulant little children these tea party types are.. It’s scary how 40 people out of 535 can do this..

            • sandy32koufax says:

              It’s not just the 40, bud, it’s the rule of fear-tactics. This is not a new thing to our country either. We just haven’t seen it in this arena on this scale before. Joe Mac did his gig after WWII, for instance. Hell, look how the Bush admin colored people in opposition as “If yer nawt fur us, ur agin us” bullshit. This is a new way for the party of NO! to flex it’s hate/fear muscles…

              • shoelessinlassen says:

                The latest gerrymandering assault of the Republican districts makes the elected crazies in these districts feel invincible to ‘recall’. Which explains in greater part how 40-60 T-Party, anti-government zealots get away with these more radicalized political shenanigans.

                “Primary” has been turned into a verb – just ask Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.

                IOW’s, if they too don’t look and act and talk like a T-Party nutcase, they fear being “primaried” by someone even further to the right.

                Gerrymandering coupled to the unlimited spending limits, courtesy the Supreme Court’s Citizen’s United ruling, along with the doubled-down Republican commitment to voter suppression of minorities, college students, etc., threaten to undermine our democratic process.

                An unraveling of democracy backed by the “too big to fail” banks and Big Money corporate entities / consortiums.

                Big Money.

                A redistribution of wealth on a mass scale in America (but, preferably across the globe too) is called for; but I confess I haven’t a plan how to accomplish such a feat.

                I do believe it may still be possible to hurt them where it hurts: In their pocket book.

                I try not to do business with companies I know are part of the problem – Wallmart, just for starters. (Unfortunately, the only local phone company available to residents up here in Bear Valley (Lake Alpine / CA hwy 4) is AT&T … and it’s probably less a monopolistic coincidence that it’s the same darn company associated with our SF Giants.

                If I had a say in the renaming of the Park, I’d pick a more historically associated iconic figure to the city like, “Jack London Park” … or to take a little more liberty with Chico’s great picture above, I like the sound of “(Willie) McCovey Park”.

  21. Chico says:

    A friend of mine took this shot

  22. datswhatsup says:

    Tough loss SFDF, but how can injuries to two starters plus Kemp not hurt?

    Nolasco’s move from penthouse to outhouse must be tied to an injury.

    I don’t mind guys hamming it up to their team but AGon and Puig seemed a lot more look at me than lets go team.

    The dodgers of Garvey, Lopes etc where like able…except to SF fans…this squad has CK, Elisses some zeroes and a lot of dicks.

    Leading the d-bag parade is Greinke. What a punk, the guy does zilch for the fans and his few written interviews talk about how he doesn’t like dealing with fans. Tops it off by not being introduced a with his team prior to Game 3.

    Hope they light his fake tough guy ass up tonight and the fans boo him as he exits.

    Other than that, Go dodgers!

  23. unca_chuck says:

    My only hope regarding the Tea Party is that their time is done and they get voted out for being too ludicrous for reality. Fox News took a poll that blamed the gov’t shutdown 59% on the Republicans and 18% on the Dems. This was a FOX news poll. All Republicans are caught in the fallout now, even though the shutdown was just now resolved. Apparently.

    The Republicans KNEW they had no legs to stand on about this. The ACA was passed by both houses and deemed constitutional by SCOTUS. Defunding the law before it is even implemented is a fool’s goal. More blather from Cruz’s cronies. Boner is in a tough spot as he knew most moderate (read old-school) Republicans were of a mind to pass this shit a couple weeks ago if it came to a vote. But fk him for being a dick about it the whole time.

    Like I said, the hope is these remaining tea partiers get voted out this next round of elections.

    And, GO Cards! That’s very hard to type for me, BTW.

    • Chico says:

      Agree 100%. And Go Cards!

    • xoot says:

      I think a lot of the TPs have gerrymandered districts full of ignorant supporters. Some of the TPs will survive. I don’t think much of McCain, but I was impressed to hear him sound really pissed off at the TP reps screwing things up. He sees himself and the party generally suffering damage as a result of the debacle. Maybe that’s where the gains will come–in the districts that aren’t tilted completely to the right, where more mainstream republicans hold seats now. I could go for that.

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      From unca_chuck’s keyboard to God’s will be done. It’s time for a new Boston harbor calling, “Throw the T-Party over board and send it to the bottom of the Sound!”

      • sandy32koufax says:

        True moderates, in both parties would be ideal…don’t hold your collective breath, however. Unless the econ REALLY tanks, I see us going through some serious BS before the usual pendulum shift back to something resembling sanity takes place. Fucking US history is littered with examples of things like this.

  24. Chico says:

    I’m hearing (from a good source) that the Howard terminal thing is gaining steam with some very rich investors backing it.. The Marine Layer guy is pro San Jose and a friend of mine tells me he’s full of shit (they both argue with each other all the time, so take it for what it’s worth)..Will ownership go along with it? Who knows.

    • xoot says:

      A new football stadium where the E Coli squats now and a new baseball park at HT would be very good for Oakland. That entire swath of town between the BART stations (Lake Merritt and 12th Street) would thrive–much as South Beach and the old Mission Bay waterfront have boomed in SF since the Giants moved in. Getting over the RR tracks that run along JL Square would be easy via big Ped bridges. $$$$ is the problem–where are the naming rights investors (the San Jose ballpark plan has Cisco) and who’ll fill the luxury boxes every night? I don’t have the answers, but I’m not sure the problems are insurmountable. HT is a beautiful spot. (In fact, I’ll be having dinner over there tonight, at Scott’s.)

      Marine Layer’s ok. He knows a lot about some things. I do think he’s unfairly dismissive of the HT possibility, however.

      • unca_chuck says:

        There’s a Scott’s down there? Huh. I’ve been to the one in Folsom, Sacto, and Palo Alto. The original?

        • xoot says:

          I have no idea. Used to be one in Embarcadero 4 in SF, too. The one in Oakland is right on the water, just south of the ferry terminal and the HT site.

      • shoelessinlassen says:

        A plan for 2 dedicated parks would be fantastic for Oakland. I hope the money’s there to pull it off.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Money’s “there” but is the interest by current ownership of either team? I just don’t know. Davis, for some reason, thinks he’s as smart as his old man used to be-which he isn’t-and Wolffco are dead set against Oaktown…and we all know why.

          MLB phucked themselves I think

  25. sandy32koufax says:

    Dumb ass, agon talking about coming back this year like the jints did last year and sweeping the Cards…talk about giving your competition extra reason to “get it up,” OY!

    My mouth is killing me, had some dental work done about two hrs ago and the nova is wearing off quickly :(…check ya out later, Dowders, I need some vicodin πŸ˜‰

    • sandy32koufax says:

      …”Forget it boys, this one is gone”…

      • shoelessinlassen says:

        Kershaw in game six still makes a game 7 series more likely … but, gawd … I sure hope not! πŸ™‚

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Grinder on three days rest? Fucks him for an eventual WS should LA make it…unless TigSox go seven.

          • shoelessinlassen says:

            I’m now hoping the Tigers / Sox go 7 … because that’s the only way Detroit can win the ALCS. Boston’s closer, however, is tough as nails. Tigers have to score runs and take an early lead to avoid that Uehara machine.

  26. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, the boys on the plane heading back to St Louie must be feeling a little uneasy right about now. Sure they have home field but Kershaw’s next.

    I think it’s epic that the Dodgers are using the Giants as their theme for the day.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      I turned my tv off cuzza my sore mouth-double root-canals! Just got back on the tube. Did anyone besides agon invoke the jints last season come from behind run? I hope the hell not…

      • unca_chuck says:

        Double root canals? Damn.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Better than losing them, ya? PLUS LA stayed alive to play another day.

          • Chico says:

            I’m in need of a root canal.. Just been putting it off.. The problem with me getting dental work done is that I have a very small mouth. My last root canal (cracked tooth from playing tackle football on Thanksgiving) wasn’t that bad. It was a a tooth in the back that had 4 nerves they had to take out.. Both corners of my mouth were chaffed due to the latex gloves.. That sucked!

            • sandy32koufax says:

              My pops’ ma called him “Bud” supposedly cuz he had a rosebud sized mouth…;-)

              Ya, my dentist kept banging the corners of my mouth and my upper lip til he caused a cut-I RUINED for “Dental Dam” fun for days now. Hahaha

            • mailorderwife says:

              My dentist punched me in the mouth during a root canal. I never returned.

                • sandy32koufax says:


                  I hope you reported that quack

                • mailorderwife says:

                  Well, it wasn’t intentional. I, too, have a small mouth and the dentist was doing near acrobatics in his office trying to do my root canal. However he did punch me pretty well in the mouth, and also didn’t do the root canal properly. Decided it would be nice to hit a few nerves, and I never returned to the dentist for a long time. Just bought a nice, expensive electric tooth brush and tons of floss and stayed away for as long as I could. Next dentist I went to told me that I had nice insurance and gave me all sorts of options to do pretty things to my teeth. WTF? Asians have weak teeth, btw. I never had to do braces, but my fillings from long ago have been popping out. Quack quack

  27. sandy32koufax says:

    Torii Hunter is a buck stud. I still question his skill level compared to Torii of two years ago but man, dude has heart and mondo cajones

  28. sandy32koufax says:

    New platform is going online now…”powered by: viafoura” jury’s out it for me.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      sorta Face Bookian too

      • sandy32koufax says:

        it’s sucky

        • Chico says:

          I think he’s pissed because the thumb downs went away!

          • sandy32koufax says:

            Naw, I was asked months ago what changes I’d recommend via email from the chron. I said two things-find or create an algorithm to block an IP addy after X amount of banned accts and no more thumbs. I think the thumbs just encourage dicks like PY. Biggest bum deal to me is the limit on characters allowed-1800. I tried to copy and paste a story from Faux news last night on the shutdown votes and it wouldn’t allow that many characters.

  29. Chico says:

    I actually like it.. The ability to game the system for the most part is gone (unless you care about dick head giving himself 50 thumbs ups).. The only problem is the ignore feature gone but the big plus is the top three comment ranking system is gone. We all know it was rigged anyways.. I’m digging it. More freedom isn’t a bad thing imo.

  30. mailorderwife says:

    I hope you guys don’t decide to switch back there. This would become a very lonely place!

    • Chico says:

      Absolutely not. I’m here..

    • xoot says:

      for me, the splash is worth checking on once a week or so

      mosshead showed up on the newballpark blog after the A’s got eliminated, obviously drunk, looking for a place to post anti-Giants comments. He posted twice before he realized that he was publishing his real name again. Then he vanished. Funny guy.

      Those A’s fans sure do hate the Giants.

  31. Chico says:

    If you look at the thread about the format change, he’s responding with a lot of his usernames in disgust because he can’t follow people around anymore and delete their comments and eventually have them blocked.. It’s an entertaining read..

  32. Chico says:

    LOL, it looks be to SFGates death knell.. Another problem. You can’t click on your comment and return to the place where you commented or replied.. That’ll sure generate a lot of discussion! /s

    • sandy32koufax says:

      ya, I said that to “Annika” and she said-we’re working on seeing what we can change back…

    • xoot says:

      I tried to post an innocuous picture of a locomotive with the sentence “but now we can post irrelevant pictures,” but it got caught by the moderators. (It’s been “Awaiting moderation” for about an hour.) I’m sure vk is vigilant today, with the rollout. He posted a picture of himself on the dumbeat, just to demonstrate the power of the feature. F’ing tool. Wonder how moderation will work going forward. Could be long delays between hitting post comment and seeing the comment appear.

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      In seven words: Disappointing Beyond Belief in the 21st century!

      “Viafoura” must have hired someone born in the 20’s – before the “talkies” – to setup their software. Terrible.

  33. mailorderwife says:

    A little levity, courtesy of Banksy’s website:

  34. Chico says:

    BART strike tomorrow..

  35. sandy32koufax says:

    I really don’t like the Red Sox…

    • mailorderwife says:

      Dont like Shane Victorino.

    • xoot says:

      The Cards/Tigers would be a classic WS, much as the past three. The bums/new england lumberjacks would be a joke.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        IDCare one way or the other about Victorino but I do hate Ortiz. Nava is a local boy so that’s diff.

        Neener, really x?

        • xoot says:

          If the bums and lumberjacks face each other in the WS, the antics will overshadow the baseball. Brian Wilson will tug his beard after getting the third out in the eighth, showing how much more hirsute he is than any of the boston bastards. Ortiz will flip his bat Puigishly after clubbing a HR. Greinke will be himself. Etc etc.

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      Definitely pulling for he Tigers. But, they lost tonight and go back to that damn green monster for game 6 and hopefully 7. They need to come out and score early – Boston’s bullpen, especially their closer, Uehara, doesn’t mess around. I confess I wish more AL pitchers would pick up the pace and pitch like Uehara … unfortunately, this ALCS series of games play out at such a slug’s pace. MLB should consider implementing some kind of time clock restriction / penalty on the pitchers. Sometimes, it feels like they are getting off about a pitch a minute. too long. boring.

      But, Go Tigers!

  36. xoot says:

    southern conehead is back trolling the splash with two of his accounts. might be a good time to see if the “flag” function works on the new blog format.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Oh, it works. PY has had two of my comments removed. Maybe more. The new system sucks for so many reasons but maybe the biggest one is that dude still has 250 gazillion accts

      • xoot says:

        “OCT __, 2013 | –:–PM UTC
        “Thank you for submitting your request. The Viafoura standard support hours are Mondays to Fridays from 9:00 AM – 8:00 PM Eastern, excluding Canadian holidays. If you have any additional information to add to this case, please reply to this email.
        “Thanks in advance for your patience and support.
        “For your reference this is Case #: ____”

        [I’ve removed the numbers, for privacy reasons πŸ˜‰ ]

      • xoot says:

        Meanwhile, the author of irrelevant travelogues had one of my complaints about “t rolls” removed.

      • xoot says:

        Also, the comment police removed one of the conehead’s reply comments, so now only part of our back and forth remains and it doesn’t make sense. Now it looks like I’m mocking shoeless with a reply that clearly was aimed at the traveloguer when I posted it. This new sfgate system sucks.

        • Chico says:

          Now shoeless’s comment is gone.. Viafoura, thought up, designed by, and implemented by Dan Quayle.

        • shoelessinlassen says:

          It’s screwy, I agree.

          My “Viafoura Counter Troll” post shows “Content Disabled” now at my end of the monitor screen. Don’t understand what this means, but, perhaps this is The Viafoura Board of Nincompoops way of censoring my otherwise ‘thoughtful’ contribution? :-[

          • shoelessinlassen says:

            I can still review my apparently censored post – but apparently no one else can. Wow. Viafoura not only cannot take a light-hearted jab, they act almost Gastopo like compared to the old monitor ‘system’. What a turn off. Good thing there are alternative sites to frequent instead.

          • xoot says:

            I think any post that uses the term “troll” gets the ax. Remember how absurd the old banned-word list was? We couldn’t call the Giants backup catcher (or the old HOF pitcher) “Whitey.” Mossback actually convinced vk to put “mosshead” on the banned list. I’ll bet the new system starts with the old parameters and just adds on. Hell, I think I’ll go back and see if I can publish “mosshead.”

  37. Chico says:

    What Ethier wore to StLouis. LOL!

  38. mailorderwife says:

    The new format at the SFGate sucks. SUCKS. It works for the pay area because no one posts there. But in an area that has heavy foot traffic, no.

  39. xoot says:

    Here’s the follow-up I received from Viafoura:

    “Gustavo replied:
    “Hi [xoot],
    “Comment moderation is still handled by the same team at SFGate. If you feel a specific post by this user is offensive, you can click the “flag” icon on the top right corner of the post. This will raise a flag for the SFGate moderation team to review the comment, and potentially take action on the user’s account.
    “Gustavo Melo
    “Product Manager, Viafoura

    • Chico says:

      So nothing has changed with the moderation.. Yet we’re stuck with the new ugly and useless format.. Hilarious.

      • shoelessinlassen says:

        I appreciate the clarification. However, I’m positively sure the term, “troll” and “trollop” have been used before with no ill effect, if only because I know I have done so. Nonetheless, I can’t believe I’ve been so naΓ―ve or oblivious to not know that the term “troll,” even when used generically / impersonally, is a forbidden word. Thanks.

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      Dear Gustav Mellow c/o,

      Thank you for your most thoughtful suggestion and equally considerate explanation.

      I don’t fault you – at least not specifically – for an otherwise truly sucky Viafoura format, which does nothing to circumcise troll counter-intelligence, let alone shuck the repeat thread stalker and trash offender.

      Your Humble Servant,
      Vasily Zaytsev Jr,
      Sniper Company

  40. xoot says:

    So Hanley’s in the LU? And the bums win the staring contest? (Mickey Mouse and Dumbo are dumbfounded.)

    • mailorderwife says:

      I think the Cards won the staring contest. Both teams are idiotic. This series the inherent charm of our boys.

      • xoot says:

        The contrast between last year and this year is startling. The Giants held their pre-game rituals in the dugout and played ball on the field. These clowns this year are ruining the NLCS. The interminable strikeouts in the ALCS are looking better all the time.

        • mailorderwife says:

          Joe Kelly is also an OC boy. Leave it to the dregs of California to act like morons.

          On another note, Timmy. Bye Bye.

          I’d trade him for Wacha. I love this Wacha. Wacha Wacha Wacha.

  41. sandy32koufax says:

    Kersh is blowing up

  42. shoelessinlassen says:

    Kershaw giving up 4 runs by the 3rd inning is almost unprecedented. The lengthening season on shorter days rest in between starts may have finally taken a toll on Clayton’s arm?

    • mailorderwife says:

      Hate Kershaw, but wish that perhaps Greinke gave up those runs. I have a sentimental spot for the D’s that managed to keep their ballclub afloat during the McCourt years. Kemp, Kershaw — Kershaw, who is built like MadBum, only hella uglier.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Short rest. He got a break before the season ended and missed another regular season start due to something unrelated to pitching. He looks fatigued or confused, not sure which.

  43. sandy32koufax says:


  44. mailorderwife says:

    We’re practicing post-season SF Giants rituals in this household since my husband has announced his immense hatred for the Dodgers. So while the Cardinals are at bat, you can all thank me later for leaving the room to play piano so that they could score their runs. All of them :<

  45. mailorderwife says:

    Nice catch by Beltran!

  46. sandy32koufax says:

    Great now Puig isn’t even catching easy balls cause he’s too busy looking to throw someone out!

  47. Chico says:

    Puig is making a lot of mistakes.. God he is dumb.

  48. sandy32koufax says:

    WHY isn’t DBaseball pulling Kersh?

  49. shoelessinlassen says:

    Kershaw is going to be pulled … maybe Don will bring in Brian Wilson.

  50. mailorderwife says:

    Belisario? Call La Migra!

  51. Chico says:

    Ass whooping!

  52. mailorderwife says:

    Maybe some of these Dodger fans might have a little more respect for the 2 out of 3 years WS winning SF Giants. Getting to the show is hard enough. But I doubt it, which is why this game is so…refreshing.

  53. datswhatsup says:

    That sucks, bad ending for a fan.

    Should you see a Claytinman post, know its not for fans like you

    • mailorderwife says:

      Yeah SFDF. You know we ❀ you. And I have a particular hatred for all those bandwagon Dodger fans that thought to boo Kemp during the season. You know I harbor secret love for him.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Well, I know skinny_tim from the gate sez he loves me, wtf?

        I know you peeps are, MOSTLY, cool.

        I say take down bfe, though. Dude’s a dick

        • shoelessinlassen says:

          Tough night for the team and Dodger fans. But, one game in the post season doesn’t negate what the Dodgers accomplished, finally coming together and playing as a team when they were 10 games (or more) under .500 before Puig jump-started the team. Xoot is right in that a healthy Hanley (beyond bad luck to get hit in the ribs in game 1 or the series), Kemp, and yes, I still believe a healthy Ethier could have made all the difference … and, I almost forgot, the Dodgers could have used a healthy Nolasco too in game 4.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Secret admission? I turned the tv off when they finally pull Kersh. Have at em

    • xoot says:

      Hanley sure proved himself to me, avoiding the bs carnival crap, playing hard, and showing some real grit as he tried to push past that cracked rib. If he and Kemp had been healthy, a different series.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Ya, losing Ramirez was the final straw.

        “Next year” is for A’s and Cubs fans…

        • shoelessinlassen says:

          In looking back, I wonder if Don’s decision to pitch Kershaw on only three days rest to close out the Braves planted the seed / proved a tipping point for tonight’s unraveling? I am struggling to understand Kershaw’s performance, other than it having to do with something physical.

          IOW’s, I don’t believe it was a mental breakdown – that definitely isn’t Kershaw, so it was physical … but, why?.

          • mailorderwife says:

            I think the announcer guy said that Kershaw had lost his last 4 games v. the Cardinals. He just wasn’t on today, as they were getting on base from the first inning. I do think that Kershaw should have been removed earlier in the game, however. Wacha can shut down Dodger bats, and spotting the Cards 5 runs isn’t going to do a whole lot for your chances of winning.

          • xoot says:

            My number one suspect is Donnie Baseball. I don’t think the dodgers were mentally prepared to go into St L.

  54. sandy32koufax says:

    Later, Dowders, sfdf needs vast quantities of distilled spirits

  55. mailorderwife says:

    Well, I don’t care who wins. Although the whole Giants, Cards, Giants, Cards, Giants seems a good rhythm, right? On another note, another few months until we get to boo Ryan Braun in person.

  56. shoelessinlassen says:

    TBS Post game analysis, especially by Pedro Martinez, who

    1) seriously questions why Mattingly would send Kershaw out to the mound again in the 5th after that 40+ pitch 3rd inning. Martinez is concerned that Don is using up / even abusing his young ace’s arm – hence, mlb pitching longevity. A good point.


    2) it was also brought up by the panel just how poorly Mattingly handled the whole pregame Ramirez question – would he or wouldn’t he play … the psychological effect this had on the rest of the team.

    When it quickly became clear Hanley could not dive / stop a number of ground balls hit in his direction, coupled to key Puig throwing errors tonight, the die was cast.

    Next Year, I wonder what Don Mattingly will be doing with all those days and nights off?

  57. Chico says:

    Terra Nova beats South City 49-0 to go to 6 and 0!

  58. mailorderwife says:

    Sorry I hijacked your cool thread, Chico. That guy pissed me off with his vagina remark.

  59. sandy32koufax says:

    Oh, duh…I see what you did there, dats πŸ˜‰

  60. Chico says:

    I made a facebook status last night and a Dodger fan I know lost his mind used misogyny as his venting outlet ( a very SoCal thing to do).. MOW called him on it and then he claimed racism (he’s an African American) but nobody brought up race or even came close.. He then cooled off but I had to clean up the thread because I have nieces and nephews who might read that stuff.. Once I started cleaning up the thread, it looked like people were talking to nothing so I removed the whole thing.. Sandy, you’re rare; most Dodger fans I come across are misogynistic and homophobic assholes..

  61. sandy32koufax says:

    IDK how many of you remember Bum Phillips but I do. He was a “Gosh, shucks” guy when he was upset and a “EEEHAW” good old boy the rest of the time. He died. 90 yrs old! I’ll always think of him coming oh-so-close but never quite making it over the hump even with huge name guys like Kenny “The Snake” Stabler, Earl “Skoal Brutha” Campbell and Jack “The Assassin” Tatum.

    RIP Coach.

    • xoot says:

      I think I remember ( πŸ˜‰ ) a playoff game vs. the Raiders, with Stabler playing for the Oilers. If I recall, the Raiders soon thereafter humiliated the Eagles in the SB. Thing I’ll always remember about Bum was the way he seemed to admire Earl Campbell. They were an odd combination, in a way, but it worked.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        That was the first, but certainly not the last time, I saw Dick Vermeil cry. I think the former Ram, Jaws, did too. Ya, those guys used to do some cutup things on “This Week In Pro Football” and “NFL Game Of The Week.” Talk about hi-jinks…

  62. sandy32koufax says:

    Does anyone here still PAY for the digital version of the chron? If so, were you asked your opinion on the format changes or for input regarding same? I had been a subscriber of the home version for over 20 yrs but discontinued my subscription nearly three yrs ago. I was still asked about what I’d like to see if the paper were to change the format but not told why. We all see why now.

    Just curious if anyone is taking home delivery or buying the digi-product for those reasons…

    • mailorderwife says:

      I subscribe to the digital version. I do it to keep up with local news, because I hate Los Angeles and their celebrity news splashed all over the paper. But content wise, SF papers have always been lacking compared to, say, the NYT.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Ya I’ve, mostly, kept a subscription to the NYTimes for some yrs now. Even if the content weren’t as full or so much better than every other US publication, I’d love it for the style and beauty of their writers/contributors. I miss Safire though…

    • xoot says:

      I let my print subscription expire 5 or 6 years ago, and I wouldn’t think of paying for the new digital piece of crap. I looked at a print copy for the first time in many months just yesterday, while I was waiting in line at a taqueria. It’s amazing how little substance they get onto a page, and everything interestng I saw in print I’d already seen on sfgate.

  63. sandy32koufax says:

    Cardinal @ Bruins…13 vs 9…Go True Blue!

    • mailorderwife says:

      hahahaha. Someone by the name of VinScullyTweets or something would post vignettes of what Scully was saying during the game. Among them:

      “Losing feels worse than winning feels good.”
      “The #Dodgers are going quietly into that good night. –Nobody has ever figured out how to win a game without scoring a run yet.”
      β€œWe go to the 7th, the #Dodgers must feel like the arch fell on top of them—
      “So, Yasiel Puig is going to school here in the 3rd inning and getting poor marks.”

  64. sandy32koufax says:

    Read what this says and how long it’s been on the board-I used a term from a ski blog “snowporn” and it was deled in maybe 5 minutes…

    Pinky_Brain Rank 1116
    Typical SFGate dumbfuckery. Go back to the old system, there was no legitimate reason to change it, unless further damaging SFGate’s brand counts as a reason.

    2 hours ago 3 Likes Flag

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      I know. It’s b.s.. Scanning the LAD message boards this morning, I noticed the term “Troll” is used all over the place. Lots of trolling, especially from AZ, StL, and a few Giants – or pretend ‘gnats’ – fans. At least the Dodger fans are calling it like they see it. But, for some reason, the use of “troll” at SFGate … has the net result of this: “content disabled”. :-O

      But, the SFGate policy terms / auto-censoring software, dictating which words are permissible within the context of an internet baseball fan community is really quite silly (juvenile even) and insulting to human intelligence too.

  65. mailorderwife says:

  66. sandy32koufax says:


    • shoelessinlassen says:

      Terrible. So much for veteran ‘experience’ being some kind of advantage. He has not had a good ALCS so far.

  67. sandy32koufax says:

    Scherzer may be getting a high pitch count but he’s still throwing the upper 90’s

  68. shoelessinlassen says:

    Not again. Anothe3r frickin’ Red Sox grand slam … twice in one series … how the hell is this possible?

  69. mailorderwife says:

    Detroit FAIL

  70. shoelessinlassen says:

    Scherzer’s solid performance negated in one swing of the bat. 😦

  71. xoot says:

    Brilliant. Throw the guy a perfect inside-corner curveball for strike one. Throw him a less perfect curve that he yanks hard down the 3B line for strike two. Then, now that he has the pitch well timed and is sitting on it, throw him a soft breaking curve right down the heart of the plate for a grand slam. Stupidest pitch calling I’ve seen in a long time. Detroit’s bullpen just can’t step up the way the starting pitchers can.

    I really dislike the Red Sux and their lumberjack look, but I guess its red on red for the WS. Hey, puts me in mind of IWWobblies or Sandinistas or Zapatistas. I can live with that.

  72. shoelessinlassen says:

    Boston’s closer, Uehara, is the heir apparent to Rivera. Best I’ve seen all year.

  73. sandy32koufax says:

    Red Sox BP is tough

  74. sandy32koufax says:

    As long as the beantowners go back to their losing ways of old, I’m good with them being there

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      Yes, gotta root for the Cards!

      • sandy32koufax says:

        So, is that NL loyalty or superstition?

        • shoelessinlassen says:

          No. If the Tigers had won the ALCS, I would have been rooting for them … because, when nothing’s at stake (minus the Giants in the playoffs and discounting the Dodgers and certainly never The Braves with that damn Tomahawk Chop crap ;-)), I almost invariably root for the underdog – which is why I rooted for Tampa Bay … they lost … and I rooted for The Pirates … they lost too … and then the Tigers.

          But, now with the Red Sox in the WS, it’s an easy call to root for the NL team, hence, The Cards. I don’t see the Cards as underdogs, unless you review the two team’s payrolls – $140,657,500 vs $102,790,110, in which case, yeah, I suppose I’m once again rootin’ for the underdog. Go Underdogs! Go Cards!

          • shoelessinlassen says:

            Oh, I almost forgot. I tried rooting for The A’s, but found myself ‘secretly’ rooting more for the Tigers to advance. I think the huge chip that some A’s fans, who troll’d the SFGate boards over the season just turned me off a bit much. If you classify “karma” as a superstition, then I’m superstitious about what goes around tends to come back around, and no way could I bring myself to root for “Buddy5’s” team without contradicting my belief in karmic justice. Not sure that should make any sense to you (or whoever), but deep down and at my gut level, it does to me.

  75. mailorderwife says:

    Must everything be Boston Strong from now on?

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Truck city?

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      More like Boston Market … their pre-packaged fast food ‘cuisine’ is way over the top in sodium and saturated crap! People collapse, weak in the knees, every day as a result of eating such crap. And Boston Salt Water Taffy is made out of gelatinous lobster intestinal glue. Certainly not recommended even for the strong of heart or liver.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        No wonder I love Boston Mkt foods and BSWT! Gelatinous lobster intestinal glue rolls off the tongue a la Pelotas del Toro or Cobra’s Blood Nectar!

  76. sandy32koufax says:

    How old do you figure Autry is, 75?

  77. shoelessinlassen says:

    Talking about team payrolls, I could not help observe the disparity between the #1 team payroll – LA Dodgers at $220,395,196 and Houston Astros at … get this … $21,133,500.

    How can any MLB team possibly have a chance to compete with a pittance like $21,000,000??? There is serious imbalance in the MLB between the “haves” and the have nots that would be best for the next commissioner to seek redress.

    • xoot says:

      The bums will pay almost as much next year in “luxury tax” as the Astros will pay to field a team. Meanwhile, the AL West will turn into a joke and Fox Sports will televise only yankee, red sox and dodger games.

      You’ve got to think that mlb has a long-term plan to address this imbalance. They had to take drastic measures to save the dodgers from ruin in the McCourt era. They did and everybody made money this year as the casual fans tuned in to see what all the fuss was about. But they need to keep the ballparks full, too.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Lots of peeps have been talking “MLB Salary Caps” for yrs, decades even. That disparity is why we see “MLB Welfare” ya?

      • xoot says:

        yeah, the players don’t want to see a cap on their FA jackpots and the owners are raking in the money while watching their investment values soar. In the long run, that’s exactly why they need to maintain some nationwide balance.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          I wonder what the Astro’s actual Mkt value is today. New ballpark, big market area and all of that.

          • xoot says:

            $626M, apparently–ranking it 16th of 30.


            • sandy32koufax says:

              And they spend a measly $21Mil on players? Somethings really wrong there…

              • xoot says:

                mlb allowed the big profit in return for the new owner’s agreement to move to the AL, among other things. One of Wolff/Fisher’s biggest mistakes, imo, was refusing to cooperate quietly. mlb wants the A’s and the Rays to develop fans and draw at home and on the road. They simply need to be patient and play along. There appears to be a whole lot of money for everyone, at least in the near future.

                • sandy32koufax says:

                  No more NL baseball in Tejas seems wrong to me, and I liked the Stros, heck I played on an Astros team my last yr in hardball. So terms were like 3-5-7 yrs of “allowance” then ownership has to start trying to field a real team, I’m guessing. What IDK is what kinds of $$ are they going to be expected to spend, I’m sure it’s a % of the AL or MLB average for payroll but hope it would have to be at least equal to their rank in terms of value league wide. A’s, Rays and Astros have different problems in attracting fans I think. A’s and Rays do share the hatred of team ownership but IDK if that holds for the Astros too. I just thought their problem was a shitty team. Ya there’s plenty of money, mostly coming from corporations anymore though. Baseball games got expensive sometime in the mid to late 90’s depending on where you were living…

  78. sandy32koufax says:

    Freakin Nick Montana, who would not be on the home page of any other online site save the Picayune-Times, is a slap to the many great stories of athletes that are local and chose to stay local rather than use daddy’s juice to go to other schools because he couldn’t win a starting job. Bad form chron

    • mailorderwife says:

      Well, I guess the Montana name draws local interest. I read the article. Sorry hehe. I believe this is the son that went to Oaks Christian, the local fundie non-evolution believing school for the children of the rich and famous (Will Smith, Wayne Gretsky). Montana’s son received plenty of coverage for being Montana’s son, and he was on a team with Smith and Gretsky’s sons. This was in the news all the time. Imagine that.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Didn’t Christian Oaks lose a CIF title with Nickie and win after he left?

        • mailorderwife says:

          I know they lost while he was there. I don’t know about OC’s post-Montana record since I left the paper by that time. I like it when they lose, though. Lots of strange recruiting and local addresses to bus in LA city kids.

          • sandy32koufax says:

            ALL big Catlick “sports” schools do that, heck big private schools period. De la Salle? Maybe the worst in norcal.

  79. mailorderwife says:

    Can you guys read this article? For you, Tommy, the dole is German. Interesting article in the Sunday Times of how Britons are living and receiving welfare in Germany. One reason to move and stay on the dole? To make money for travelling, because some 21 year old believes that his generation has it tougher than his parents’ own time.

    Also, there is another story coming out of London where a woman is petitioning the court to grant all Christians a day of rest on Sunday. Sabbath Law or something.

  80. shoelessinlassen says:

    Sorry, no subscription to permit reading the body of text.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Same here, but one can get the gist of it. I wanna know how the Brits are entitled to long term payments, what the German people and Govt have to say abt it and how that has influenced same in the US.

      I saw another story abt UK expats living in Deutschland tho and it was abt those that moved for the house buying & business opportunities as well as the better lifestyle at much lower costs than UK. A new 3 BR 2 B home has a national average price of $381K and childcare is $485.00 a month. Most parents that have paid child care, pay that in a week here.

      Fundies everywhere, eh MOW:-(

      • mailorderwife says:

        The article stated that with Germany’s aging population, there is a need for more hard labor workers. They are willing to train people and offer language lessons to encourage people to stay in Germany. Seems insane to offer such training without a caveat to prevent people from leaving for a short while, but what a nice country! Japan experiences the same shortage, which accounts for the high number of foreign born Asians from other countries. However, the dole thing isn’t going to fly there.

        Also, the article states that unlike Britain, Germany doesn’t “harass”/continually question employment status of those on the dole. They can accept such monies without much intervention. Hence, many young Britons come here just to enjoy life on the German taxpayers’ dime.

        A certain segment of US society is convinced that another segment of society enjoys life on the dime of the American taxpayer. They like to attribute such behavior to race. Wonder what they’d think about this story?

        • sandy32koufax says:

          It’s queer to me that any country would extend benefits to someone for longer than they had actually paid into it or become a citizen. I mean, to be able to move into any country and not work yet get unlimited benefits does seem wrong to me. Short term (6-18 months) seems fair and if you did move into say, Virginia, and were to become disabled that’s another issue-provided you’d contributed to the system. The entire dream act is not ideal-to me anyway-but is a starting point to negotiate something well-defined and with limitations. I do want real immigration reform and no one knows how to sell something fair to everyone, although I’ve heard or read proposals that seem to fit that bill in most ways.

          There’s the key for German welfare/UI or whatever those benefits are known as-that you get them and don’t have more frequent check-ins or proofs of actively seeking work. IDK about UK but even in US there are minimal training options all the way to certain certifications/college degrees dependent upon meeting odd qualifying requirements.

          As to people simply gaming a system, I’d say as long as the system is solvent and there aren’t people saying “Hey, wait a minute, they never worked a day…” is an entirely German thing. They seem like uber warm and humane people, in spite of their many periods of war and cruelty. Let’s all move there and get our Fahrvergnugen on!

          Lastly, IDThink those jerks that would deny or deport people care what color or tribe someone is from, all they need to hate about is one word-Fir-in-err

          • shoelessinlassen says:

            Some interesting and informative points. I suspect this country could learn spiritual points from reviewing Germany’s version of “Christian Charity”. The Christian Right (or as I prefer to think, “Wrong”) in this country seem obsessed with intervening in a woman’s self-determination to motherhood, and doing everything they can to get ‘us’ here, and then they drop the ball and seemingly side / vote with the anti-food stamps, anti-minimum wage Republican Party.

            You can’t have it both ways. IOW’s, you can’t be opposed to a minimum wage and/or paying people an honest, “living” wage while at the same time denying them the food stamps so necessary to make up the difference between their impossibly low wages and simply putting food on the table while paying for their rent/mortgage/utilities. All this sounds more like “neo-Christian Austerity”.

        • shoelessinlassen says:

          Fox News would immediately dispatch Sean Hannity to ride his bicycle over to “little Germany” just outside Newark and conduct an extensive, 2 minute report on all the unemployed, free-loading German immigrants, taking food stamps from out of babies’ mouths, all the while trying to vote, using multiple aliases like, “Buddy5,” “alliemeadows,” “giantsrock,” and “mossback”. And then, of course, Charles Krauthammer [sic?] would do a follow up post analysis, bringing in mental giants like, Ann Coulter and Ted Cruz, to point out how the whole country is going down the tubes, because of all the Fox-documented “lazy” illegal immigrants. Or something like that.

          Seriously, MOW, the article makes it appear more to be a simple case of “human nature”. Probably exacerbated by some pretty “austere” Euro-policies over the last decade.

  81. unca_chuck says:

    Part of the deal with Europe in general is that there is a population decline across the board among all the European countries. The last couple generations are not having kids, and like MOW said there’s a shortage of workers. I’m sure it’s a reaction to getting bodies into place.

  82. mailorderwife says:


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