Back to Giants

So the Niners have done enough to fill out their depth chart and we jump back to the Giants. Timmy against the Puds.

As of out late start (thanks NFL) Timmy is kicking off the weekend with a 1-0 advantage. This might be a big thing going forward. Timmy starting well sets the tone for an entire series. If he’s money, we’ve got reason to believe. If not, well, maybe Zito and Vogey will turn it up.

Also, the Niners filled out the depth chart and added a TANK. Good news, but you have to wonder if we’ll see them at all within the next two years. That’s probably a good problem to have.

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273 Responses to Back to Giants

  1. Chico says:

    Lets go Giants!

  2. Chico says:

    I’m happy with the draft.. We got a S, two potential beasts at DE, and a TE who admits that he’s underdeveloped. Stay under the cap & coach ’em up. 10 picks next year, too. Keep stacking them Baalke. Good job.

  3. Chico says:

    Pence has a gun. Unorthodox gun.

  4. xoot says:

    Lincecum fades in and out like an am radio signal far at sea. He’s locked for a while, and then he’s lost for a while. So far, it hasn’t mattered whether he’s in the stretch or not. wtf?

  5. mailorderwife says:

    Are we tossing beachballs at pitchers this year?

  6. Chico says:

    I’m out for the night… Sorry for the rant, I took it down..

    • mailorderwife says:

      Yikes. Not an easy situation, and I can understand. My husband won’t let us move back to SF because my mother and sister are equal to 10000 Godzillas. Moving would be a good thing for you!

  7. xoot says:

    Test for Zito tonight. He shut the pods down less than a week ago. Can they adjust? Can he re-deliver?

  8. Chico says:

    These last few days have sucked ass.. Fundamental baseball, where have you gone? God dammit. We should have won 3 of our last 4..

  9. mailorderwife says:

    Painful, Giants. Painful.

    • xoot says:

      It’s April, it’s a rough patch. The starters are grooving too many pitches, but their stuff isn’t bad, overall. It’ll all come together.

      • Chico says:

        That pitch to Hundley was supposed to be on the black. Got too much plate. Agreed. No time to panic

        • mailorderwife says:

          It’s only April, and I remember them sucking it up in either April or May of last year. It’s way too early to panic is right, but still…painful painful for a Sunday where I wanted to relax.

  10. xoot says:

    I know it’s fantasy, but every time I get the chance to watch the movie version of Runaway Jury on tv, I watch it. Good story, good anti-gun violence movie. If only . . . .

  11. Chico says:

    Curry is on fire right now. Wow.

  12. xoot says:

    Giants are hitting the ball well so far, DBags ain’t. Let’s keep it that way, Cain.

  13. Chico says:

    Two of those were grooved.

  14. Chico says:

    Win column!

  15. Chico says:


  16. xoot says:

    Ahhhh yeahhhhh! Pablo’s elbow seems ok. NIce win.
    Casilla’s blister may be back, however.

  17. Chico says:

    So some dumb ass parents in Kentucky gave their 5 year old son a gun as a ‘gift’, and he accidentally shoots his two year old sister to death. . . Unfuckingbelievable.

    • JDR says:

      The obvious solution here is to make it easier for two year olds to get guns and protect themselves.

    • xoot says:

      Toy rifles that shoot real bullets. Genius. I know some gun owners who keep their guns locked behind quick-release, but child-proof systems; I know some who take their kids hunting with them from the time they can walk and scratch the bird dog on the head at the same time. I certainly have never met any who handed a gun to a kid to play with.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Cars are more dangerous, or so I’ve been told by “Gun-Nuts-R-Us”

        Politicians are such whores…

        • JDR says:

          That’s where you remind them that children aren’t allowed to operate cars. Hell, if getting a gun were as difficult as getting on the freeway we wouldn’t have half the gun crime we do.

          • Chico says:

            You have the right to bear arms, but driving is a privilege according to our government..

            • xoot says:

              You mean the 2nd Amendment gives my two year old the right to own a gun?

              • Chico says:

                No, it gives people the right to bear arms, who in turn, fall in love with them so much that it becomes a romance, a mistress if you will, which then turns into a sick fetish that de-sensitizes them from the danger of firearms that they let their kids play with them, or in this case, a *gift. Add in ‘not too bright’ people and we have what happened today.

                This country is so gun nutty that we have paranoid people using their 2nd amendment rights to defend themselves against others using their second amendment rights. It’s a fucking circus, imo.

                I’m not for abolishing the 2nd amendment, but there needs to be some middle ground. And people need to be educated about how other civilized societies look at us, with this disgusting gun fetish. Fuck the stars & stripes, our flag might as well be a Mac-10.

  18. xoot says:

    While checking El Lefty Malo’s blog I came across a Deadspin tweet promoting an old article they published, in 1992, about Tommy Lasorda’s flamboyantly gay son, Tommy Jr., who flamed out in West Hollywood during the terrible, early years of the AIDs epidemic. Recent NBA headlines made the piece relevant again. The article itself is a bit over the top, but the full story is pretty amazing. Fat Tommy provided some quoted comments he regretted later. I don’t expect him to address those matters here, because really I don’t want to hear obscene homophobic slurs shouted through a mouth full of pulled pork. But if you haven’t read this, you might find some parts of it interesting.

    Nice start for tonight’s game, Pagan!

    • mailorderwife says:

      Fascinating article. I think the postscript is telling, in how Tommy spoke more of his grief rather than addressed his son’s loneliness. I already thought he was a homophobe because of the treatment that Glenn Burke received. You don’t want to start regretting things when you’re far too old to backtrack. My mother is a pro on that count.

  19. xoot says:

    Lincecum has been leaving the ball up, unless he’s throwing to 1B. This mechanical problem just can’t be a mysterey any longer. wtf?

    • mailorderwife says:

      He’s very confusing to watch. The whole “Timmy’s back!” proclamation is more a hope than reality, and I say that as a loyal Lincecum fan.

      • xoot says:

        If he threw every pitch over the plate at the knees, his 2seamer and split/change would move so much he’d get nothing but fouls, groundballs or swing thrus. He could mix in some shoulder-high FBs just to change sight lines, but keeping the pitches that move in the zone and at the knees would be the key. And he cannot do that. He’s one of my favorite Giants of all time. I really want him to get it together.

        • xoot says:

          One other thing — at least this season, so far, he’s been consistent from the windup and the stretch. The consistency hasn’t always been good, but at least the stretch, in and of itself, doesn’t seem to be a problem. He pitched only from the stretch in the 2012 PS. So, maybe something clicked — on that point.

  20. Chico says:

    Belt has to work on his swing. With that shoulder hitch, he’l pop everything up to the left side.. Like like James Loney used to do.

  21. xoot says:

    Well, the offense claws back most of what the pitching gave away. Again. Strange start to the season.

  22. Chico says:

    We got something going!

  23. Chico says:

    Way to go Belt! No shoulder hitch 😉

  24. Chico says:


  25. xoot says:

    now that turned into a good game.

  26. Chico says:


  27. sandy32koufax says:

    Frack! Jints win and LAD is getting the hammer.

    Beckett’s back to getting rocked or just another poor outing?

  28. mailorderwife says:

    Good games for the SF Giants and the SJ SHARKS beating the hated hated hated Canucks!!! Saw the tail end of the Dodger show.

    • shaman138 says:

      Canucks tried to play their usual dirty game but the Sharks weren’t having any of it by the 3rd period and fired back, snatching the momentum back and knocking in some clutch goals. I can’t stand that damn Vancouver hockey team and those ugly fucking Sedin twins. Also, the best parts of the Giants game took place during the breaks in the hockey game, so it was definitely a good night in sports land. Now the Dubs need to get ‘er done tonight.

  29. shaman138 says:

    Something to watch for some laughs….this character just cracks me up.

  30. mailorderwife says:


  31. sandy32koufax says:

    Dubs pull it off.


    Spurs loom large…

  32. Chico says:

    They almost choked. . . MOW, I hope you’re safe.. Fire in your neck of the woods.

    • mailorderwife says:

      From my window, I could see a few puffs of white smoke turn into a huge black plume yesterday. I heard that it’s headed for the ocean, which means it’ll be attacking Neptune’s Net.

  33. unca_chuck says:

    Shit, not sure how many metalheads are out here, but Jeff Hanneman, lead guitarist of Slayer died yesterday, apparently after contracting necrosis fasciitis from a spider bite. 49 years old.

  34. unca_chuck says:

    The only way the Dubs beat the Spurs is to out-young them. Up tempo all the time, hope they collapse on Curry to open up shots for others. Bogut was huge yesterday, and the hope is he can play meaningful minutes for more than one game at a time.

    I don;t see it happening, but I didn’t see the Dubs beating Denver without Lee.

  35. mailorderwife says:

    Game 2 of the Sharks v. Canucks tonight. If you want a rivalry, this is leagues better than Sharks v. the LA teams (I HATE THE DUCKS), if only because no one in So Cal notices hockey. I mean, the jerseys were worn when the Kings made the SC finals last year, but I had never seen any hockey jerseys worn previous to that event. So who gives a flip about these fair weather fans? Nononono…Sharks v. Canucks, the rabid fanbase where girls squish their bare breasts against the sin box glass for a dirty dirty mean team with the nasty Sedin twins. NOW WATCH!

    • mailorderwife says:

      yessss! Although LA is doing a good job of beating itself down with this new fire ::choke::.

  36. Chico says:

    Paguero up, Sanchez sent down.

  37. shaman138 says:

    What’s not to hate about those dirty Canucks. Their dirty tactics, cheating ways, ugly twins, Ryan Kesler, their putrid coach, their psychotic fanbase…the list goes on. I even hate their logo–that ugly demon-worm looking thing makes me puke. I hope the Sharks kick their asses. Meanwhile, Kershaw/Zito tonight–Zito’s got to hold it down because I think Claytin will continue his Giant-killing ways on the mound. The Blahdgers are luck to have him because they don’t have much of anything else.

  38. mailorderwife says:

    This smoke is pretty thick down where I live. The tops of the Santa Monica mountains near me are bald, and a wider plume of smoke is now rising. It’s turning day into early evening. Dodgers should be pretty thankful that they’re in SF right now, especially since a few of them live down in Malibu.

    • Chico says:

      I remember taking the 101 down, taking the 1 @ Oxnard, then the PCH, which dumps you into Santa Monica (worst traffic I’ve ever been in was on a main surface street in Santa Monica that looked like El Camino) 2 miles in 2 hours!

      Then my wife said to jump on the Santa Monica freeway and it WAS moving.. I thought that was weird as hell.

      • mailorderwife says:

        The drive along 1 from Santa Monica up to Santa Barbara is gorgeous. Highly recommended on a weekday, or a very foggy weekend. If it’s sunny, forget it. EVERYBODY heads to the beach on the weekends, and I’ve seen people get out of their cars to fight over the traffic. Like that’s REALLY going to help, but this IS Los Angeles.

        • Chico says:

          We did that.. It was a really nice drive. We stopped and I had a drink at that place where Mel Gibson was drinking the night his career ended. I think Vince Neil owned it at one time, it’s called Moonshadows.. Cool spot.

  39. mailorderwife says:

    Dodger pre-game broadcasters — aka the HAIR crew — are pretty much making fun of the Giants lineup. They spent a good chunk making fun of our own chunky Panda, and then ripped into Pagan and Scutaro. They had semi-nice things to say about Posey at AT&T. Oh ho ho.

    • xoot says:

      Maybe people tuning in in LA don’t remember that these Giants players are the world champions. What’s the name of that disorder that causes such lapses of attention to and sympathy for the outside world? Named after a white flower, I think.

  40. Chico says:

    HanRam just re-injured his thumb on that swing.. You heard it here first.

  41. sandy32koufax says:

    Nice lay Hairston!

  42. sandy32koufax says:

    This “By the numbers” thing is RETARDED!

  43. xoot says:

    Nice play at the plate. Posey sure does get way out in front, doesn’t he? Still, blocking the plate there wouldn’t’ve improved the result. And there was that tag on fat ass Fielder in the WS . . . . Giants seem to know what they’re doing with Posey, and he’s executing the plan very well.

  44. sandy32koufax says:

    Last weekend, in an attempt to bring marital stability to my buddy’s home, I went to his house and cut down several trees and took him for a round of golf.

    He proceeded to inform me he had purchased tix for tonight’s game right behind home plate. Natch I expected him to then invite me to said game. What a shock when he said he was taking his daughter, a non BB fan, with him.

    I think I’ll be taking his wife to my next game;-)

  45. sandy32koufax says:

    FAT, hard breaking curve

  46. sandy32koufax says:

    LA is wasting too many chances.

    Typical Dodger game since August…

  47. Chico says:

    This umpire fucking sucks.

  48. sandy32koufax says:

    Ellis KILLS me.

    Terrible defensive catcher.

    Some guy that uses a self glorification handle on SonsOfSteveGarvey gives me shit behind that line of thought because Ellis has good slash lines. I wonder if he’s really mossbutt

  49. Chico says:

    Speaking of mossbutt – Xoot has kept me entertained on the drumbeat as he whoops mousebucks ass all over the place about the game of baseball.

    The only other guy over there who likes mousebucks is his partner in crime, Slats/Mac/Mollie

    • sandy32koufax says:

      That slag had a comment of mine removed. I thanked EiO for continually correcting the BillyBoy of MoneyBall.

      Mega Twit!

      And ya, kudos, x-man on schooling dumbbeats’ resident nerd…

    • xoot says:

      I think the other dumbeaters enjoy seeing mosshead lose face, even if Giants fans are doing the damage. I don’t intend to make it a habit, however. The splash is dead, and I only check into the beat once in a while to catch up on the A’s.

      Hey, did any of you see this? We’re enjoying the sunlight here in Oakland — especially us Giants fans.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        You know my “story” so this doesn’t surprise me at all.

        Oakland is largely. a great place to live.

        And not just in the hills…

        • xoot says:

          I lost my lease and have to move down the hill a bit, but I’ll still be in upper Rockridge. Should be fine.

  50. xoot says:

    How does Zito pitch Kemp so well and Kershaw so poorly? time for a hit or two.

  51. mailorderwife says:

    Hit, Giants, Hit. Score, Giants, Score. Score, Sharks, Score. Hold, Niemi, Hold.

    This TV remote is going to bust by the time Sharks leave the playoffs (hopefully with the SC).

  52. sandy32koufax says:

    “We Could Be Heroes…”

    No, “we” can’t.

    These Dodgers are fucking killing me…

  53. xoot says:

    Chico focused on Hunter’s arm the other day. What a throw. HanRam shouldn’t’ve challenged him there. Hate to see any injury, however, and it seemed to happen on a routine slide. Ah well. Get some hits, SF.

  54. Chico says:


  55. xoot says:

    Posey’s swing was perfect. But that collision at the plate was more than a bit emblematic. Posey better learn how to hook slide around that play as well as he has learned how to avoid that play when he’s catching.

  56. datswhatsup says:

    You bring Claytion out for the 8th after 104 pitches?

  57. datswhatsup says:

    Nice of Plugz to rock the guy liner on Metallica night

  58. datswhatsup says:

    I think Plugz will be traded for a S P

  59. sandy32koufax says:

    Great range by Arias…speed does kill though.

  60. datswhatsup says:

    Good call
    Man did Crawford look like he grabbed HIS hammie?

    • sandy32koufax says:

      shaman told me LA pitching was snake bitten. I said the entire team was. Maybe I should have injury prone? Poorly conditioned? Trainers suck? Ned does? Donnie (OMG!) does?

      New ownership is def a major disappointment to me so far.

      • datswhatsup says:

        Buying talent like a fantasy team is not a sure thing.

        I think local fans don’t view it as their team yet.

        Greinke was a fluke,
        Poor Bills was a carry over from last year
        Lilly and Capuano aren’t kids.

        Kemp may need more time to recover…it was not a simple clean up

        Crawford IS injury prone

        Handly could be nothing

        What makes me uncomfortable is everything has gone wrong and they are still right there

        • sandy32koufax says:

          How can fans feel that way? Magico didn’t rebuild the farm system and went for instant returns. Where are the farmers coming from? Late round picks and proven AA or AAA players-not “Bigs” prospects like they had 4 years ago. McWhoops legacy lives on.

          Greinke was a fluke but Bills has been injury prone for several years now, same with Lilly. Cappy? He was rushed and never overcame that. Agree on Crawford. Ramirez is a different thing though. He wasn’t ready to play at this level yet, physically at least. The shit to me is that every trainer and Dr had to know that.

          It’s May 3rd. LA is still near for lots of reasons but not due to LA being a competitive team. I’d be more worried about SD at this point.

  61. datswhatsup says:

    Hairston = giant killer

  62. datswhatsup says:

    Zito’s outing was like Ryun’ vs SF
    Ton of hits few runs

  63. mailorderwife says:

    SHARRRRRKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Up 2-0 and coming back to the Shark Tank!

  64. sandy32koufax says:

    Kersh does not come out for another inning. Best move by DB all season.

  65. sandy32koufax says:

    West is a shitty ump

  66. sandy32koufax says:

    How is that NOT called a strike on Kemp?

    West sucks donkey ballz

  67. datswhatsup says:

    Man Hanly’s spot has been with men on all night.

    It’s like having Bellanger take over for Garvey

  68. datswhatsup says:

    I’d like to order a Belly Sorry Oh with a side of walk off please.

  69. xoot says:

    Another perfect swing from Posey. Yeah!

  70. sandy32koufax says:


    I was going to say LA needs a reliever instead of SP, dats…

  71. Chico says:

    Bam! Walk off!

  72. sandy32koufax says:

    Well, a remade Zits didn’t do it at all tonigt and Kersh is our big stud…a freaking sweep looks probable to me.

    I am really hating this weakassed team

  73. datswhatsup says:

    I also predict I’ll wake up with a headache

    Off to the bar…

    Night all.

  74. mailorderwife says:

    I had to listen to the Dodger broadcast, and am sooo enjoying the post-game crying from the hair crew! Bazing!!!

  75. datswhatsup says:

    American born players are soft.

    Adriana Gonzales may be out again with a sore neck.

    Dodger trainers say Belly Sorry-O is available to pitch albeit with a neck brace.

  76. filthychangeup says:

    Did Moss really refer to the umpires as the refs?!? Who knew he could say something more ignorant than refering to the knob of the bat as the ‘lip’. Nice start to the game, was Pagan’s double a pop-up nobody caught?

    • xoot says:

      Yeah. Kemp couldn’t handle the sun. I didn’t see the “ref” comment.

      • filthychangeup says:

        Mossbax 3:13 PM on May 2, 2013
        The A’s should win 7 of 10, provided there are no major injuries, cheating refs, or plagues of locusts. The team currently taking the field in Yankees jerseys is far from intimidating. They play like West Bay Midgets.

  77. shaman138 says:

    Wow. Those Dodgers..they just….well, they just suck!

  78. xoot says:

    So this is what the biggest payroll in baseball looks like. damn.

  79. Chico says:

    Not really active on the web right now, my wife is acting like Napoleon ordering me around on what to do and what to pack.. Notorious ball-busting the night before vacation.. But I love the hell out of that woman.. Married well .

    Ellis just went deep to center – Buster, Pence, take note – the ball is flying out to center.

  80. sandy32koufax says:

    Who the hell are these guys wearing Dodgers unis and why is Denise Gordon still on this team?

  81. mailorderwife says:

    Mattingly is a no Bruce Bochy. Lots of talk of the Dodgers training staff = the # of injuries. I didn’t know it was an all femme staff?

  82. xoot says:

    Vogelsong has lost 3-4 mph on his FB, here in the 5th.

  83. sandy32koufax says:

    Fatribe scores?


  84. Chico says:

    And we start to suck.

  85. xoot says:

    Well, as an old-school baseball fan, I think things turned south when Vogelsong refused to put a jacket on after his single up the middle in the 3rd. Either that, or he wore out 40 pitches too soon.

  86. sandy32koufax says:

    JayVee War gets rocked…

  87. sandy32koufax says:

    OUCH Posey

  88. sandy32koufax says:

    Is Ellis a great defensive catcher or what?

  89. Chico says:

    Holy shit Peguero has a nice swing..

    • sandy32koufax says:

      And serious wheels.

      Belly? Really?

      How’s that packing thing treating you Bro? Pack a BOWL!

      • Chico says:

        The bowl is waiting for after the kids get down and we’re all packed..

        I just took out the kitchen sink & garbage disposal, the wife wants to bring them just in case.

  90. unca_chuck says:

    There ya go.. PANDA !!!

  91. sandy32koufax says:

    Craws foot isn’t even on second…BAH and HUMBUG!

  92. unca_chuck says:

    Fucking dee gordon?

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Lopes loves the guy-maybe there’s an actual reason?

      I hadn’t seen it ’til tonight and wouldn’t place too much on tonight…

      • datswhatsup says:

        Mattingly responded to reports question about Flavor Flav’s nice game tonight with a “hey guys it’s one game”.

        I think two trips is not a fan.

  93. unca_chuck says:

    And whgere the fuck did they dig up Punta?

  94. unca_chuck says:

    Dude looks like an old lady…

  95. sandy32koufax says:

    Win or lose, these two games have been entertaining and exciting.

    Fun shit

  96. Chico says:

    Peguero has WHEELS!

  97. sandy32koufax says:



  98. sandy32koufax says:

    Walkoff Pence?

  99. sandy32koufax says:

    Later n cheers, jints fans.

  100. mailorderwife says:


  101. Chico says:

    I was putting the kids down for the night.. The rookie catcher just won it? Excellent!

  102. datswhatsup says:

    With all that new money LA owners should get rid of that frying pan and get Error Jay Ellis a catcher’s mitt.

  103. datswhatsup says:

    Quiet at the bar tonight, then loud, then quiet.

  104. datswhatsup says:

    Looking for the cherry on the sundae, hoping to read WBB on MSTI, but like his team he is on the DL…pulled labia no doubt.

    God’s speed Wayno we miss ya

  105. xoot says:

    Feliz Cinco de Mayo. ¡La venganza de Jon Dowd sigue!

  106. filthychangeup says:

    Grovelling long for scraps…
    WBBsAs 4 hours ago
    The other bright point was that Vogelscheiße grabbed a lead in his race to the bottom with Gnatt Cain, who will do everything possible to overtake him tonight.

  107. xoot says:

    ESPN’s broadcast isn’t very good. Comcast does better, overall, and the ESPN ambient mic makes every instance of contact sound like a broken-bat bloop, whether it’s a sharp grounder, a foul pop up, a drive to the track or a broken-bat bloop. Time try the radio with the tv on mute.

  108. sandy32koufax says:

    LA is leaving more men on than Debbie did in Dallas…

  109. sandy32koufax says:

    Lates Dowders, it’s time to bury my Blues in tequila…

  110. Chico says:

    Tough drive. Some lady almost ran into us on the grapevine. We hit a tumbleweed the size of a small car just before Bakersfield. Just went down and got food to bring back to the suite at Mimi’s Cafe in Harbor- while waiting, had a drink at the bar next to a giants fan and a dodger fan. 4-0 lead, hold it bullpen

  111. mailorderwife says:

    Read the article in the LA Times about Donnie not being worried or saddened by the Giants’ sweep. He said the team came “close enough”, or something like that, to winning.

    I remember how former SF Giants manager Wes Westrum used to say such things after another loss against some team during those horrible 70s. “We came close enough…” or “…almost…” Of course, wins and losses are black and white, and coming close enough is never really rewarded. And to be honest, having Mattingly say that about the LA Dodgers is the prime reason why he needs to go. His team plays with no heart or hunger.

  112. xoot says:

    Man. Otis Nixon claims the crack pipe and rocks the cops found in his car belonged to his son, but that mug shot of Otis suggests otherwise. Brutal stuff.

  113. datswhatsup says:

    Well the sweep was excellent, not just because it was against LA! But because LA was short handed, can’t just settle for two of three.

    That’s also why getting swept by SD was extra hurtful…brewers were better than their record and bound to get hot, SF was wrong place at wrong time, but SD was who they are and what they are ain’t a team to be swept by.

    I am most encouraged by SFs start because many more players are more likely to improve than regress.

    Sandoval, MadBum and Romo may not keep p this pace but they are not farm from their previous best and are at the age where improvement can happen.

    Pagan, Posey, Crawford are at or perhaps below in Posey’s case where they will finish.

    Torres, Blanco, Timmy too mayContinue at these numbers.

    Zito is a maybe up maybe down.

    But what is most encouraging is that Belt, Scutero, Cain, Vogelsong, Lopez, Affeldt and the OF defense should all get better by year end.

    Every team has a slump but how much damage that causes can kill a season (see last year’s Angels)

    Lots of Giants should pick it up and few are over their heads yet in first place.

    Wow that was way too much, I owe you regulars a beer…apologies

    • mailorderwife says:

      Excellent! I get the LA sports via bullhorn because I live down here. The only thing I can report is the fan demand to get rid of Scocia (sp!?) and the Dodger trainers.

  114. JDR says:

    Anyone want to do a post on this video? I don’t have time right now, but it’s a nice reminder that even the Dodgers can do something decent once in a while…

    • datswhatsup says:

      or….was Kemposer just showing off that sweet new portrait tatt of his grandparents? It’s disturbing positioning to Matty’s nipple makes his Grams look like she has a flapper arm.

      Google it.

      But still, good for him to make a kid’s tough life awesome for a while.

  115. JDR says:

    Hey Xoot, did you know that high school pitchers never hit any more? Well, except for all the ones that do. At an elite level. Everywhere in the country. At every school. Also, Buster Posey’s real name is “Kenneth” and I bet he cups the lip of the bat and argues with the refs.

    Beavis & Butt-Head have nothing on those two…

    • filthychangeup says:

      Also, you, me, Chico, and Molly are all the same person, especially hilarious since we’ve all established that molls was slut_macs troll account.

    • xoot says:

      yeah, that exchange provided some amusing side moments today while I was working away at real life. I’m sure the site manager really appreciated having sluts-mac’s inane logorrhea fill the reply thread under his original comment.

  116. filthychangeup says:

    Check this out, it’s a trip.

  117. datswhatsup says:

    Time to trade Timmy.
    If you look at The Freak’s last 35 Starts there are some numbers that suggest he is who we see now.
    • He is 10-15 over that time.
    • In no month has he averaged AT LEAST 6 IP/start.
    • His ERA is 5.01, if you throw out his low month (3.90) his NEXT BEST month is 4.63
    • His WHIP is 1.46, only once getting below 1.40

    There is little to suggest TL and Sabean will agree on a deal for next year, why wait get mediocre production then he walks away (unless they value that draft choice that much)?

    Well maybe they should wait because there is no one else better? Perhaps, but I’m not suggestion they dump TL, the question is if TL’s replacement AND who they get for him make SF better than keeping TL.

    Timmy is still throwing up good K/IP numbers and desperate team always feel they can “fix” players they need badly.

    Who is more desperate for pitching than the Angels? They risk falling out of the race because they keep scoring 6 runs and losing because their SPs suck. The only thing that sucks more than the Angel’s rotation is their bullpen.

    Why not offer TL for Bourjos? Bourjos is young, fast, a great defensive OF who could bat leadoff or 8th. Basically he’s what they thought Gary Brown would be.

    The $15M in salary savings would allow the Giants to take on a better pitcher in the second half that a team is dumping for salary.

    That puts a lot of pressure on Vogelsong’s return to being not awful, but let’s face it, if Vogelsong continues to crap the bed AND they keep TL, is that really going to get it done? The Dodgers are not going to be injured forever.

    Low risk for desperate Angels as TL walks if he’s terrible and Bourjos can be replaced by Trumbo in LF and allowing them to sign a journeyman DH to replace Trumbo.


    Go nuts and offer TL and a package of relievers (Mijares or Lopez and Casilla or Kontos, plus a low level prospect) and get Trumbo.

    LF and power is solved by a young player and the Angeles can try and salvage the season with a rebuilt bullpen. Why do it if you the Angeles? They are sunk without multiple pitchers and Arte cannot allow the Dodgers to take over SoCal.

    Stupid, I know but I’m bored.

    • xoot says:

      Lincecum’s highest and best value may be as a trade piece. I don’t know; and, somewhat to my surprise, I’m not outraged by the idea. But the bare numbers don’t really reflect how he’s pitching these days.

      I read a bunch of crap this morning in various places about how his FB is straight as a string and his velocity dropped from 92 to 88 last night, etc. Last night, however, was not typical of his performance this year. He threw the ball high last night, and his FB had little movement, and his velocity did diminish late, but even in his last innings he was able to fire off a 91 mph FB. His arm isn’t dead (and we can’t say that about Vogelsong, whose velocity really does completely nosedive after 3 or 4).

      Last month he pitched very well at home against the Padres. He went 6.2, threw 96 pitches, struck out 8, induced a bunch of ground balls, and the Giants won 2-0. I remember that game. He was throwing his FB and split/change at the knees, and in the zone, and those two pitches were moving a lot, the change falling off the table, the FB cutting away at a sharp angle as it reached the plate. Velocity had litle to do with his success that night. He had enough.

      So which Lincecum are we dealing with, or, alternatively, trying to deal — the guy who pounds the zone low with nearly undrivable pitches, or the guy who pounds the zone high and gets pounded right back? Looks like something correctable, to me. Of course, if that’s true it simply means he may still be valuable either on the staff, or on the block.

      • datswhatsup says:

        First, thanks for responding…I was beginning to think Wayno’s ego finally burst and took out JDR headquarters.
        I loved what TL did for this franchise and I too was pulling for him to turn the corner…but A season’s worth of the monthly numbers seem to indicate he is now a sub .500 pitcher who will go 5+ innings with a 5.00 era.
        He isn’t coming back so why not turn him in to something…but like with Zito be sure not to give him away…get something

        • xoot says:

          Lincecum’s got the highest Giants salary this year, at $22M, and he’s a FA thereafter. I haven’t tried to digest the latest CBA, but I think the draft-pick compensation system for losing a FA has lost its luster. LIncecum will be a rental the second half of this season, whether he’s here or somewhere else.

          So, first, why would the Giants be sellers at the trade deadline? I suppose it’s possible. They could eat a bunch of Lincecum’s remaining pay in return for some new players. But, second, I’ll bet the best they’ll get will be prospects from a team that wants to keep its stars for the PS while adding Lincecum to its staff.

          But that could only happen if the Giants are sellers at the deadline — i.e., out of contention. Not entirely impossible, given the starting pitching performances so far, but entirely out of the question given the greatness of the Giants!

          • datswhatsup says:

            I’m thinking if the savings on TL contract allows them to get a better option PLUS get a LF possible the time may be now to get the best deal from a deperate team and TL has two less months of 5+ era

  118. unca_chuck says:

    The only reason to trade Timmy is to plug someone else into the rotation. Whether through that trade or another one.. And Timmy may not want to get shuttled to the BP (a likely scenario if he struggles more) and would want to be traded anyway. Between he and Vogie, the rotation is getting a bit scary. Their hand may very well get forced by those 2 come the deadline, or earlier..

  119. unca_chuck says:

    Timmy’s trade value isn’t very much anyway, so you are right. they are likely getting m,id-level prospects, but like I said, he leaves to a) get something instead of nothing if he stays, and b) opens up a spot in the rotation for Cliff Lee (if you believe the rumor mill).

    • datswhatsup says:

      I think TL’s trade value will never be higher. He’s not in a slump, it’s been a year of this and $20M/yr is a lot for a middle reliever and if TL becomes a closer I don’t think SF will pay what he seeks for that role next year..

      I don’t think they can wait until the deadline because that means two more months of tarnish on The Freak Legend in the trade market and teams like the Angels might very well be out of it by the trade deadline and not willing to overpay.

      The problem is replacing TL, but we have to be aware that you are replacing the 5+ era 5 IP starter over his last 35 starts TL, not Cy Young TL.

      Oddly the key to SF’s 2013 WS hopes may end up landing on the shoulders of Vogelsong. If not for his coming up big in the post season (thank god!) he is in a TL type extended funk which makes you wonder if the magical ride of a 36 year old journeyman is over. Madbum & Cain and cross your finger Zito may not be enough to make the playoffs and counting on a repeat of Playoff Beast Zito would be awesome, but…..

      You bring up a good point about Lee, Tim’s $20M prorated takes the bite out of Lee’s 2013 salary, but is Lee set to be paid through 2015 or 2016?

    • JDR says:

      The reports I’ve seen suggest that they’re trying to bundle Lee with Ryan Howard in a Red Sox-Dodgers type of deal. Don’t think the Giants want to take on that much dead weight, especially if they’re trying to extend Pence.

      • datswhatsup says:

        Agreed, no thanks if Howard is involved.
        The good news about Lee is if the Giants move TL off the books they would be in a position to take on all/most of Lee’s salary, other teams maybe not.

  120. unca_chuck says:

    Lee’s a bit of a pipedream, but certainly the Giants could work out a deal if the Phillies ate some of his salary. THe point being, they’ll definitely have to do something about the rotation of both Timmy and Vogie scuffle. No one is dealing now. It’s too early. mid-June is when all this starts heating up.

  121. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah the Angels certainly have a bunch of overpriced guys. Shit, the Dodgers and Phillies could very well be out of it in a month.

  122. xoot says:

    My enthusiasm for a revived Vogelsong just took a hit.

  123. Chico says:

    Just got off the road and we are back home from the OC. Heard Posey’s shot driving through the Altamont. Come on Vogey, have a couple of low pitch innings.

  124. mailorderwife says:

    Giants pitching :<

  125. xoot says:

    Well, the starting pitching. Posey’s AB in the 3rd was a thing of beauty. 1-0. Then he fouled a good pitch. Next he took a good strike FB on the outside corner. 1-2. Then he fouled some off and took some close ones, FBs except for one slider. Then Teheran made a mistake on the 9th pitch, hanging another slider, and Buster was ready to blast it deep into the LF bleachers.

    I remember Bonds with ABs like that — once he’d seen 6 or 7 pitches from a guy, a HR was almost a sure thing.

    Meanwhile, Scutaro continues to boot the ball. Damn.

  126. sandy32koufax says:

    Observational only and not based on any statistical basis:

    jints BP has been getting WAY overworked this season.

    Mijares and Kontos, in this game alone, have combined for over 70 pitches so far.

    This situ is an ongoing theme this season and if their staff doesn’t step it up, it will only devolve.

    Shades of LA in recent seasons…

    • datswhatsup says:


      All teams can deal with a single SP who goes > 5 IP/start, to deal with two (TL & RV) they need two SPs throwing up big IPs. Madbum yes, but Cain has not been that guy (yet?),so the bully is getting waxed.

      To make things worse, Romo needs more rest than Wilson did and Lopez is really a 1-2 batter guy so that means Konto and Guadin will have to throw Mota like innings.

      Order the cough syrup now.

      I am willing to bet that Cain rebounds, but I’m afraid TL is who he has been the last year and thanks a lot for jinxing Vogelsong earlier in the year, you may have been right about the magic being gone.

  127. Chico says:

    That game/bad mojo was my fault. I brought back a nasty ass bug from international germ spreading park, aka Disneyland. Looking forward to tomorrows game, & the Warriors..

  128. Chico says:

    Good win Giants! The Warriors looked like shit, but I’m not going to let that bother me – I’m only on the bandwagon..

  129. Chico says:

    Where is everybody?

  130. xoot says:

    Kruk and Kuip aren’t as good as they used to be. Something’s missing. Note their failure to discuss Pablo’s elbow bone chips after Pablo got drilled near that elbow and had trouble moving his fingers afterward. They’re winging it these days.

    Nice 5th inning — Posey and Blanco especially.

    • Chico says:

      I didn’t see or hear that. . A buddy of mine said he looked like he was in pain. Hope for the best.

  131. Chico says:

    Helluva win. . We beat the Braves at what they do best.. BBQ time!

  132. xoot says:

    Amy Trask resigned. Everything’s going to change in Raider land. If Oakland can’t build a new stadium, and I think we know Oakland can’t, then where are the silver and black headed?

    While walking through a SF law firm one day in 1990, I passed a glass conference room where Al Davis was testifying at an arbitration hearing. He had on a silver and black striped tie. Being a warm day, the conf. room door was open. I heard him answer a couple of questions. He was such an arrogant asshole. But he won that arbitration.

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