Hot Stove for the week of 12/10 – 12/16

SUNDAY DECEMBER 16 EDITION
2:16 p.m.
— Rays, Mets agree in principle to trade for R.A. Dickey.

SATURDAY, DECEMBER 15 EDITION
9:49 a.m.
— Rays, Mets finalizing deal for R.A. Dickey to include Travis D’Arnaud + others. Rays also want a prospect.
Mike Adams signs with the Phillies.

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 14 EDITION
2:40 p.m.
— Rays, Mets working on deal for R.A. Dickey.
10:35 a.m.
— The Royals sign Xavier Nady.
— The Tigers to sign Annabelle Sanchez.
— The Cardinals to sign Ty Wigginton.

THURSDAY, DECEMBER 13 EDITION
3:18 p.m.
— Looks like the Cubbies won the Annabelle Sanchez derby, although nothing is official and might still be “in the works”.
12:13 p.m.
— Welcome to California! Josh Hamilton signs with the Angels. The OC seems up his alley.
10:27 a.m.
— The BoSox are nearing a deal for Ryan Dumpster.

San Francisco Giants news:
10:27 a.m.
— Welcome back, Andres Torres!

WEDNESDAY, 12/12/12 EDITION
8:20 p.m.
— The Indians are aggressively pursuing Nick Swisher.
2:52 p.m.
Eli Whiteside is now on the Rangers.
— Dodgers acquired Skip Schumaker in exchange for a minor league player.
8:22 a.m.
— The Reds sign Jack Hannahan to a 1 yr./$2 m. contract.
8:04 a.m.
— Buster Olney claims that the Phillies are prepared to offer a 3-year deal to Josh Hamilton.
— Pitcher R.A. Dickey used the Mets Kid’s Christmas Party as a forum to complain about his contract negotiation. Stay classy.

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 11 EDITION
4:06 p.m.
Update! In their quest to repeat their last place finish, the Indians send Shin Soo-Choo to the Reds in a 3-way deal that includes the Dbags. Along with Choo, Jason Donald goes to the Reds, Didi Gregorious goes to the Dbags and Drew Stubbs and Patrick Corbin goes to the Indians.
3:25 p.m.
Kevin Youkilis joins the Yankees. Let the booing begin!
11:07 a.m.
— Phillies and Indians discussing Asdrubal Cabrera deal.

San Francisco Giants news:
12:50 p.m.
Pablo Sandoval to judge the Miss Universe pageant. Oy vey.

MONDAY, DECEMBER 10 EDITION
7:56 p.m.
Kevin Correia signs with the Twins at 2 yr./$10m.
5:00 p.m.
— The Dodgers are looking to extend Clayton Kershaw‘s contract.

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254 Responses to Hot Stove for the week of 12/10 – 12/16

  1. shaman138 says:

    Wonder how many hundreds of billions of dollars they’ll fork over to Kerslaw…

  2. xoot says:

    Correia, $5M per? He had a great first half in 2011, then got injured. Last year he was ok. Man, prices are high this year. I think Billy Beane made the best deal so far, $3M for Bartolo. They’ll only have to pay 1/2 after he gets suspended again. . . .

  3. Chico says:

    Could the Dodgers payroll reach 275 million? Man, they’re dwarfing anyone else.. This is beyond ridiculous.

    • xoot says:

      We’re gonna have to take a look at the luxury tax again. I seem to recall some provision related to the dodgers bankruptcy settlement that gave them a break, so they could get back on their feet. Apparently they have 275 million feet.

      I think mlb really wants a juggernaut on the east coast and a juggernaut on the west coast. Huge numbers of fans will be drawn to those ringers with the payrolls on roids. Then the rest of us will be passionately rooting for underdogs, even if our front office is first rate, our payroll $140M and our team playing exciting championship caliber ball.

      Can’t say I like being so manipulated.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        I’m not finding a definitive interpretation of the Dodgers bankruptcy provisions per lux taxation rates for this season…

      • mailorderwife says:

        I’m not too worried. Dodger fans I’ve spoken to down here don’t seem all that convinced of their invulnerability, either. For all intents and purposes, they should have locked up the division last year after that blockbuster trade. It might not be the players that need fixing, but one larger component.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          From the ground up is my POV, MOW

          • shaman138 says:

            Colletti is the main problem, IMO.

            • sandy32koufax says:

              Colletti is a main part of it but so are Tommy and some other old-school peeps.

              LA needs to go back to it’s roots. By planning for successful tomorrows-including a superior farm system-instead of being a part of today’s typical MLB business model…FA is NOT the answer to an ongoing series of winning teams. Neither is money ball

              • mailorderwife says:

                I agree. It is essential that they build up the farm system. There were some very smart trades made by ball clubs this winter, which makes the LA moves that much more absurd.

                Getting this great pitching staff is wonderful, but we all saw what happened to H20! Really, I think a huge weak link is in Donnieball, which was in full effect in September when the Dodgers could not muster enough energy to even qualify for the wild card.

                • sandy32koufax says:

                  I read a bunch of peeps sayiing that about Donnie Baseball…IDK but that’s not my take-the motivation thing. That he isn’t an NL guy? Okay. But Torre did just fine after all those seasons in the AL. ya, I’ll stand on him having ZERO exp as an NLer

  4. unca_chuck says:

    Anyone here get espn+? Here’s an articcle about the Dogs that is on their pay site.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/olney_buster/id/8731795/the-los-angeles-dodgers-new-problem-breaking-wil-myers-deal-mlb

    Are the Diogs still planning on using Juan Uribe at 3rd base?

  5. shaman138 says:

    Panda is judging Miss Universe? I can just see VK and Co. licking their chops, ready to turn the Splash into the troll zone again.

  6. Chico says:

    I’ve believed in parity for a long time and if it would hurt the Giants, so be it. In a league with no salary cap, chances are that the teams who spend the most will win more games and go further in the post-season. There is no reason why fans in KC, Oakland and Milwaukee, San Diego should go to opening day knowing that their team won’t make the playoffs (Oakland last year was kind of a one time thing, imo), and other small market teams as well. To me, that’s a joke. The luxury tax is also a joke.. A good step in the right direction in my opinion would be to bargain the TV deals as a division, not as a single team, much like college football.

    I’m not taking this position because of the new Dodgers ownership and the size of their market – this is how I’ve felt for a long time. It’s complex, most of you will no doubt disagree with me but I think it would be good for the game AND for the fans of teams that usually have no shot at the post season. Of course, these are just boiler point ideas with no specifics. Plus, it’ll never happen but something like this I could really get behind. At the minimum, baseball needs a salary cap for the better good of the game. Call me a socialist.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Whatever floats your boat, Che’…

      • Chico says:

        It’s not about my boat, it’s about what’s better for baseball, in my opinion.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Bro, was a reference to “Call me a socialist”

          Find the humorus…it’s located near the elbow.

          • Chico says:

            I know dude, and I laughed.. My point was I’m not the only one who feels this way so it’s not about ‘my boat’.. Do some Googlin!

            • sandy32koufax says:

              BLARGH!

              Much too depressing…everything I worried would come to pass about these guys
              is occurring.

              BUILD an organization THEN do a few big deals to add to that homegrown talent.

              I guess when you sink all those Billions into a McWhoops sinkhole and still get to pay him, you feel some strange requirement to be the alpha-dog ASAP.

              It’s getting ridiculous

  7. sandy32koufax says:

    Now here’s a nice picture…

    • JDR says:

      Have you seen the terms on that deal? Greinke has a player option that kicks in after three years. In other words, if he pitches well he’s going to break the bank AGAIN by negotiating a new deal or hitting the market, and if he’s mediocre/bad he opts in for the rest of it takes a big fat Zito on the Dodger checkbook. Apparently it was the only way they could get him without adding a 7th year and full no-trade clause.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        No, haven’t been motivated enough to follow these gaudy deals in any detail.

        The new regime in LA is turning out to have as many flaws as Frankco did…

        • shaman138 says:

          The way they’re blithely throwing big money around to any player they want to is a joke. They really believe this is how they’re going to be “competitive”.

    • unca_chuck says:

      I threw up in my mouth a little.

      Chico, that’s how Pete Rozelle did it all those years ago with the NFL. TV money is split evenly across the teams, and so is apparel money if I’m not mistaken.

  8. unca_chuck says:

    Who’s at short for the Dogs? Ellis?

    • mailorderwife says:

      I’m surprised they’re not going after Asdrubal Cabrera, who is a stud at SS.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        They were as of yesterday…don’t know what’s become of that tho.

        It’s looking like a platoon job at SS and 3rd…

        • unca_chuck says:

          Really? All the $$$ they are throwing around and they can’t settle short and 3rd?

          Crazy. They are trying to copy thie Giants by getting pitching pitching and more pitching. They figure the rest will sort itself out.

          • sandy32koufax says:

            I don’t see Ramirez being the season-long starter at either position, they STILL haven’t unloaded DeeDee and guys like Schmaker are still in the mix.

            Sure, they have the cash but unless they CLOSE the deal, Cabrera won’t become a Dodger.

  9. unca_chuck says:

    From MLBTR:

    Asdrubal Cabrera, arguably the top shortstop available, has drawn trade interest as a third baseman. Before the Winter Meetings began, the Indians and Phillies discussed a trade that would have sent the shortstop to Philadelphia for Vance Worley and prospects, Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports.

    The Phillies, who have since sent Worley to the Twins and acquired Michael Young from the Rangers, would have used Cabrera at third base, according to Hoynes. While the Phillies offered Worley and two prospects, the Indians wanted more.

    Cabrera, 27, will earn $6.5MM in 2013 and $10MM in 2014 before his contract expires. The switch hitter can block trades to the Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers, Nationals, Giants and Mets. In 616 plate appearances this past season, he posted a .270/.338/.423 batting line.

    The Indians appear to have closed the books on Kevin Youkilis, though they still have needs in left field and at DH. Nick Swisher remains a target for Cleveland, according to Hoynes. GM Chris Antonetti hopes to add to his rotation and the Indians have been in touch with most free agent starters.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/indians-phillies-discussed-asdrubal-cabrera-deal.html#Z4zHpzEX9I4YsCfb.99
    _________________________________________]

    Didn’t know the guy was such a fool. Block a trade to the Giants? Yeah, who wouldn’t want to play for the defending champs? Here’s to hoping he rots away in Cleveland. . .

  10. mailorderwife says:

    The only Asian in C-town comes to the NL. Willkomen!

  11. xoot says:

    The bums I guess got not a luxury-tax break so they could afford the payroll-on-steroids, but a revenue-sharing deal. They’ll absorb the luxury tax apparently.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-27/l-a-dodgers-secret-tv-deal-with-mlb-fuels-spending-spree.html

    • JDR says:

      The way the luxury tax is set up, teams can get away with being over for a year or two. It’s when you’re over for a long stretch that the penalties start to really pile up. Hence teams like the Dodgers and Tigers who have been spending short term without getting a huge charge. The big reason the Yanks have been cutting their payroll is that they’ve been over the threshold to the point where the luxury tax charge was going to be something like 50% of their payroll.

  12. sandy32koufax says:

    I’m off kids…see you after I stop at my version of Cheers.

  13. unca_chuck says:

    Great to see Bud bending the rules to benefit the goddamn Dodgers.

    If I’m an owner, I’m yelling ‘where’s my revenue sharing deal? Whay does LA get a break?’

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Tip of the iceberg…

      If this is how Selig’s been doing biz since McWhoops came into MLB, what else has been, and is, going on that is not quite cricket?

  14. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, Dickey gets the Dick of the Week award. Complaining about the piddling 3 year, $25 mill deal the Mets are offering while at a function to help people who have lost their homes, livelihoods, and loved ones to the storm is real bad form.

  15. sandy32koufax says:

    crazyorangehair is at least one of the names associated with having our comments removed…

  16. shaman138 says:

    I’m just surprised they haven’t taken the news of Pablo judging Ms. Universe and splattered it on the front page yet. That will no doubt turn the Splash into another troll party. They had ANOTHER stupid article suggesting the Raiders share the Niners’ new stadium and the freaks came out of the woodwork for it. That website is redonkulous.

  17. Chico says:

    I’m surprised to hear that about Dickey.. He always came across as a class act.. That’s too bad.

  18. Chico says:

    I’m hearing rumblings from a friend of mine in LA about cable bills going way up. He’s not happy, he’s a Giants fan.

    • Chico says:

      Much like NY Mets fans having to pay *extra* for the ‘Yes’ network when they don’t even watch Yankee games..

    • mailorderwife says:

      This is true, and not just for LA county. Ventura is taking a hit, too.

      • Chico says:

        That sucks for non-Dodger fans… God I hope they fall flat on their face..

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Don’t get me started on this subject, Kids.

          I pay for the “right” to watch Jints games on Directv.

          But no one asked me if I wanted to subsidize CSNBA…

          • Chico says:

            And how much did your cable bill go up after the Giants signed with CSNBA? Mine didn’t at all with directv.

            • sandy32koufax says:

              It’s about $120 a month with internet access.

              • Chico says:

                Mine is about 100 bucks – no internet, but HBO and SHOW.. It didn’t go up after the deal though.. I’ll never go back to comcast.. I was paying close to 150, 10 years ago!

              • mailorderwife says:

                Yeah…but you watch baseball, SFDF. And when the Dodgers come to town, you rely on the Dodger broadcasts. I do the reverse, so I don’t mind paying the fee. But there are people here who do not watch sports, and yet they’re paying for the Dodgers. Stupid.

  19. unca_chuck says:

    $2,499.99 for basic cable? Sheesh.

  20. Chico says:

    Dodgers get Skip Schumaker – scrappy utility guy. Who are they going to get next?

  21. Chico says:

    Governor Brown being treated for prostate cancer… Cancer sucks..

  22. sandy32koufax says:

    Okay, Sandy has a date!

    Don’t wait up, suckers!

    • shaman138 says:

      I’m sure it will go very well, Sandy. You seem like a great “evaluator” of women.

      • Chico says:

        Good luck, wear protection and don’t drink and drive!

          • sandy32koufax says:

            Well, kidz…sfdf is back home n quite satisfied with his evening of delights.

            A fine woman of upstanding repute that I have nothing but high praise for.

            What a fortunate man I am to have people like you to share caring guidance and advice.

            • shaman138 says:

              No invitation extended to her proverbial high rise condo? I hope there’s a date #2, at least.

              • sandy32koufax says:

                Poor emo-shaman…so you’re one of those “cuddlers” eh?

                And for the record, that was more like date 300 and they’re STILL magnificent!

                • shaman138 says:

                  Well, I’m not one for romantic movie date night, but I’m sure watching “Sleepless in Seattle” 300 times is quite the intimate experience.

                • sandy32koufax says:

                  Ah, to be semi-clever and to live in a luxury high-rise condo.

                  IDK the movie, having never had a desire to watch chick-flix-maybe you can share a BRIEF synopsis? On second thought, that YOU know about it is good enough…

                  Are you a guy?

              • shaman138 says:

                I’m pretty sure I’m a guy…I’ll check with my beer belly and get back to you.

  23. shaman138 says:

    Andres Torres is back on the Giants with a 1-year deal, ready to hit it and quit it, just like our resident Dodger fan. ๐Ÿ˜€

  24. Chico says:

    LOL, Sandy the stallion! Good for you man.

  25. sandy32koufax says:

    So the Angels win the JH derby.

    Reportedly 5@$125M.

    Hello Billy…

    • unca_chuck says:

      As much as I don;t really ccare about the A’s, it sure was funny to see them beat the shit out of the Rangers and Angels. Esp after they both spent gazillions to buy the west.

      No matter that Wolfie and Fisher are are actively trying to destroy their team, they came up with gold somehow. I really like how they follow that up with letting more guys go.

      Brilliant, Bronco Billy . . .

    • unca_chuck says:

      Can you say “Aaron Rowan?” Train wreck to commence.

  26. Chico says:

    Well, two of jdr’s comments about the orangehairedclown being mossback got deleted.. I guess the truth hurts and think about it, mossback was camped out on the Splash for days and all of a sudden he’s gone, but this sockpuppet shows up? Good work Xoot & jdr.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Ya.

      Mossbutt, slats/winningstreak/mac, ad infinitum…bunch of peas from the same pod.

      They can’t stand being shown in the light of day either.

      Interesting thread on the McCarthy entry on the dumbeat when ptech tried calling several users out as the same person.

      Made me wonder if it was a misdirection play or if s/he really thinks that.

      • Chico says:

        I blame sfgate. They encourage the troll bull shit. Think about it, based on their business model, it means more $ for them with all the troll accounts..

  27. Chico says:

    Annabelle Sanchez.. LOL, that cracked me up MOW.

  28. sandy32koufax says:

    sfdf is outtie…heading for karoke central again cuz there is are some fun, pretty women there…you should come over shaman! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  29. sandy32koufax says:

    Yeah, karaoke bar SUCKED tonight!

    • shaman138 says:

      That’s too bad…The work party was awesome AND we went and had car bombs afterwards–my friend’s going away party didn’t happen because she’s sticking around for a while. THIS is how we need to party, my friend….

      • Chico says:

        There is no King Cobra in that fridge! Ah, high school days.. Malt liquor and Delores park brown weed, lol.

        • shaman138 says:

          King Cobra is irrelevant because it’s super-weak and still tastes like shit…and even the herb in DP has stepped up 100%.

          • Chico says:

            Good to hear.. We used to find leaves from various different trees in those compressed bud patties. Orange peels too (to keep it smelling fresh I suppose), & seeds & stems.

            Thanks the lord for the green!

    • Chico says:

      The last time I sang at a K bar, I did Bon Jovi’s Dead or alive and nailed it. So my friends encouraged me to do ‘house of the rising sun’ and I blew it. I don’t have a good voice for singing BUT I can do a decent bluesy voice ala ‘simple man’ by Skynard.

      Had a good discussion on a Bear blog about the best microbrews in the bay area.

      21st amendment
      Anchor
      Bear Republic
      Russian River
      Lagunitas
      Moylans
      Anderson Valley
      Sierra Nevada
      Speakeasy
      Drakes
      Triple Rock
      Jupiter
      Steelhead

      Feel free to add to the list!

  30. shaman138 says:

    Wait, wait, wait! Almost lost in this conversation was Chico’s attempt to do “House of Rising Sun” at karaoke AFTER Bon Jovi.

  31. shaman138 says:

    This is my kind of karaoke…

  32. Chico says:

    I’m just stoked that this place exists, where we can blog freely and thank you to JDR for creating the place and a big thanks to all who contribute. There are other very well written Giants blogs that get no love.. http://www.thegiantscove.com/ ….. http://dodgerhater.blogspot.com/ … Just google ‘San Francisco Giants blog’.. There are tons of SFG blogs.. We’re a lucky bunch..You gotta respect peoples passion for Giants baseball. It’s one thing we all really have in common (honorable mention of Sandy, Dodger fan but good peeps). No work tomorrow so I stayed up late reading different Giants blogs – goodnight & good morning all.

  33. unca_chuck says:

    Speaking of high school blackouts, here’s one of my favorite sites:

    http://bumwine.com/

    • sandy32koufax says:

      chuck, my old man used to make wine with the Porto Geez in San Martin so we always had two casks in the garage-one that was “ready-to-drink” and one that was still “cooking.”

      We’d take enough from both to get lit-had a VERY high alcohol content-but tasted like absolute shit. I didn’t taste any of those “wines” until grad night…

      Funny cartoon at the top of that site ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • shaman138 says:

      My stomach just churned….Oh, dear God, Thunderbird. Ugh.

  34. Chico says:

    “close to 20 killed at school in Conn” Jesus Christ man, WTF.

    • Chico says:

      K-4 kids. Fucking horrific

    • mailorderwife says:

      Michael Moore tweeted this: “Just 18 hrs ago, those Republicans in the Michigan House rammed thru a bill making it LEGAL to carry a gun into a school or day care center. ”

      If no one wants to have a dialogue about the guns, let’s have one about our culture and perhaps the necessity to really address mental illness beyond doling out some pills and easy gun licenses.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Details just keep getting worse on this story…

        • sandy32koufax says:

          And that is insanity in and of itself-what the Michigan legislature did. That state has some serious crazies running it. “Right to work” is a huge no-no to me but that new law you cited is absolutely going to be struck down by a state court. If not then everyone is in trouble-1951 here we come!

  35. shaman138 says:

    I can’t even comprehend this nightmare. I’m not a parent so I can only imagine how chico and everyone else who has young kids must feel right now….don’t know what to say. I’m sure those fuckwads in the MI legislature might be second guessing themselves right about now.

  36. shaman138 says:

    This story is fucking nuts–apparently, dude shot his mother at home, his brother might have been a second guman, and the guy’s girlfriend is missing in another state. And my office, normally tons of fun on Fridays, is as quiet as a morgue today. I honestly feel ashamed to be an American and part of this twisted, selfish culture right now.

    • mailorderwife says:

      Remember last week’s horrible story of that guy who was thrown onto the tracks with everyone backing away rather than help him?

      During rush hour commute in Osaka for the bullet train, where missing one’s train is sort of a big deal, my father-in-law fell on the stairs. I turned around and looked behind me to see the entire stairwell stop, all trying to help my father-in-law to his feet. There were hands everywhere reaching for his back, shoulders, arm, hand…and no one tried to jump the crowd to run up the stairs. It was one of the most touching things I’ve ever seen, but not wholly unexpected.

      When I was in SF last, we were at a Starbucks to meet for the Giants parade. There was a young tech man who had an extra chair at his table. When I asked if we could use the chair, he said no. He wasn’t going to use it, but he wanted to make sure we wouldn’t, too.

      There is a level of consideration for others in many countries that you no longer get in the US. We’re so accustomed to our space, ya know? Yeah…we need a dialogue on guns, but we need to be more honest about our culture.

      • Chico says:

        I just got off the phone with my father and he told me that these things rarely happened back in his day. Then he emailed me a couple of links about recent gun violence incidents compared to a few of these kinds of things happening when he was growing up.

        Folks, the game has changed. Sadly, this is the new normal.

        Most of what I’ve read about Japanese culture pertains to WW2 so I’m not well versed on their culture other than that they have a great sense of national pride. I blog with a lot of Japanese people about Cal football (Cal grads) and they do seem shy away from the arguments and flame wars that other Bear fans get into after a loss.

        As much as we hear about violence going on around the world, we really need to look at ourselves. This country & culture is getting more and more violent, and I don’t have the answers.

        • mailorderwife says:

          I remember trick or treating when the Zodiac killer was out and I grew up in the ghetto where the BPanthers were the ones who really policed our neighborhoods. But this society now…wow. Back in the day, we took care of each other.

          Now that I live in this nice neighborhood in the suburbs, I find myself surrounded by rude people who vote Romney and break into my backyard to steal the avocados. I just don’t know.

          • Chico says:

            People with money *stealing* avocados. . . Unreal.

          • xoot says:

            The racoons used to come around to steal our avocados. I got a big slingshot and nasty steel marbles to chase them away, but how can you monitor the tree all night long? Damn bandits.

            • mailorderwife says:

              When we first moved in, our next door neighbor came over, introduced herself, looked at my stuff, then declared that she would come over and take some avocados. I allowed it until they also stole our avocado picker and our entire little crop of avocados to give to neighbors who cannot even muster a “hello” to us. We have since put a lock on our gate.

              They also never gave us any of their nice grapefruit or oranges. Also, someone stole my entire crop of mandarin oranges from my front yard. Yeah…this is a money neighborhood with some real trash neighbors. The people I grew up with in the ghetto never did this to us.

  37. Chico says:

    My wife picked up our kids early at the co-op right after she heard about this, just to be with them. She wasn’t alone, there were parents all over the place picking up their kids. Lots of hugs & stuff.

  38. xoot says:

    This lunatic shooter was trying to blow away his own childhood. Movies and video games told him that armed assault was the way to express his rage. The gun store on the corner gave him access to weapons he needed to make the nightmares of insanity real.

    How can anyone oppose better gun control in the face of 2012? At some point, you have to start blaming the second amendment zealots for these crimes.

    • Chico says:

      This guy has been growing on me. Not a fan of pundits, but he knocks it out of the park here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/15/piers-morgan-newtown-kids-die-gun-control_n_2307357.html

    • xoot says:

      Iโ€™ve heard a few people raise the examples of the Scotland and Australia massacres of children. The governmental response was to severely regulate guns and make efforts to retrieve the guns already in circulation. Great Britain and Australia have not seen such massacres since.

      But in the US there are 300 million guns in circulation. In Oakland, in 2011, 1280 people got shot; 199 of them were under 18, including many little kids caught in crossfires.

      The situation in the US is dire. The problem gets a lot attention when lunatics slaughter middle-class people. But the culture of violence is killing people every day in the US.

      The only answer is to move toward a rational approach to regulation, but that isnโ€™t a cure. Guns are a central part of US culture. I have lived with guns all my life. I have no second thoughts about owning a handgun. I am certain that itโ€™s all a matter of context. For example, the scope of the problem is not even consistent throughout the US. When I lived in Alaska, I saw 12 year old kids carrying rifles down the street in residential neighborhoods. I didnโ€™t think anything about it. The kids were just carrying hunting rifles home. By contrast, I know that in totalitarian countries with absolute gun control, only the police-state enforcers, death squads, and gangsters have guns. I saw that in Guatemala in 1984, where the army stopped busses on the highway and forced us passengers to get out to show our passports. The camo-uniformed 12 year old kids aiming Uzis at us had the most baleful eyes I have ever seen. Those werenโ€™t hunting rifles.

      But the proliferation of guns generally, and, more recently, assault rifles, in the US is just horrific. Lunatics have the means to play out video game fantasies; drug gangs have the weapons they need to terrorize neighborhoods. Strict regulation wonโ€™t solve the problem, but it will be the first step.

  39. shaman138 says:

    Well, I’m a glutton for punishment–I’ll be watching the Raiders game in the Black Hole tomorrow. The good news is they actually *might* win. And 9ers pull off the upset with strong D, 21-17. Have a great weekend, amigos!

  40. shaman138 says:

    All for naught, Carlos Rodgers.

  41. JDR says:

    Just got back from the store and saw the Moss TD. Not sure that’s a play Alex Smith makes. We seem to be saying that more and more often. The replay on the fumble didn’t look good.

    Goldson on the fake! Nice!

  42. JDR says:

    Fucking hell. Should be 17-0 right now. Not good.

  43. JDR says:

    Have I mentioned how awesome the Niner LBs are? Willis is ridiculous.

  44. shaman138 says:

    Hahahaha!

    Patriots suck!

  45. shaman138 says:

    Not a 9ers fan, as you know…but, I have twenty bones riding on SF tonight, AND…Fuck the Patriots! Suck a nut, Tom Brady. Hahahaha!

    • sandy32koufax says:

      I bet ith a name like “Woodhead” that guy gets plenty of play…

      On a different note, 3 of 5 of the CIF title winners were from Nor-Cal, including Granite Bay which beat my friend’s son’s team last eekend, SI…De LaSalle wins again too…

  46. JDR says:

    Jesus Christ. When he’s not trying to dribble the ball on the turf Kaep is making some plays. Walker redeems himself too!

  47. JDR says:

    This shit again? REALLY?

    Where the hell did I put the vodka?

  48. Chico says:

    The three fumbles and the *should have been a TD VERNON!* aside, we’re playing well.. D is stingy, again.. Adjust to Belechick’s adjustments and we should be good..

  49. Chico says:

    TD Niners!

  50. sandy32koufax says:

    FUCKING LUCKY ASS TO SCORE THAT FUMBLE INTO A TD…N.E. is giving this game away

  51. shaman138 says:

    Patriots suck!””” Hahaha!

  52. Chico says:

    TD Niners! We’re killing them!

  53. JDR says:

    OK, so does Hernandez flinch and lose that pass if Goldson hadn’t laid him out the previous play? I say no.

    At the risk of sounding like a troll… Alex Smith does not get that ball to Crabtree. This game is finally starting to go from infuriating to fun to watch.

  54. Chico says:

    Fuck this zone D…

  55. JDR says:

    Nope… infuriating again.

    The fuck, Niners?

  56. Chico says:

    Don;t piss this game away Niners..

  57. Chico says:

    Nice TD.. D needs to step up NOW.

  58. JDR says:

    McDonald and RJF step up. Now to put this one away with a sustained drive.

    Ted Ginn… you asshole.

  59. JDR says:

    What’s up with these goofy facemasks defensive players are wearing? Did I miss the part where NFL defenders decided to do battle with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

  60. Chico says:

    Jesus christ.. Please, can we win this one?? For Christmas?

  61. JDR says:

    It seems like Brandon Lloyd is good for one of these games a year where he pulls in circus catches left and right. With the Niners he seemed to have a knack for making crazy plays that ALWAYS got called back for some stupid Kwame Harris penalty.

  62. JDR says:

    In the words of Kruk: “Just another HAAA HA HA HA HA. Laugher.”

    /pours a double.

  63. shaman138 says:

    Well, I’m twenty bucks richer, at least. And the Patriots suck!!!

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