The HOF Ballot

The HOF Ballot

“Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.” 

Those are the instructions on the HOF ballots that will issue today.  Bonds and Clemens lead the list of first-time players on the eligible list.  Sosa and Piazza are among other suspected roiders joining the ballot.

Writers with ten-year tenures in the BBWAA can vote, including all of those who failed to publicize the steroid era back–from, say, 1989 to 2003–when they had the chance.  I know many factors contributed to keep the writers quiet.  Some who post on this blog probably understand those pressures and exigencies quite well, because they know a lot more about the realities of journalism than I do.  But  I see a clear conflict of interest here.

During the steroid era, both the players and the franchises grew enormously.  Steroids healed the injuries of the 1994 strike.  Steroids changed the game.  The instructions to the voters should not ignore those overriding facts.  Using the “integrity” term in the instructions to black-ball worthy players, thus shutting out the heroes of an entire generation of baseball fans, will do nothing but undermine the integrity of the Hall.   Yet the BBWAA approaches the vote as if it’s just another year.

One stat note.  Here, I believe, are the numbers, per decade, of players who hit more than 40 HRs in a season:  60s, 34; 70s, 20; 80s, 13; 90s, 71.  The writers knew what was going on.

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113 Responses to The HOF Ballot

  1. unca_chuck says:

    Nice, Xoot. The baseball hall of fame is a joke. It’s a good-old-boy network of stuffy full-of-themselves writers who knowingly turned a blind eye to steroids for 10 years. then had the audacity to comdemn the players for using. As much as I personally dislike Pete Rose, he should be in the hall. The Ron Santo deal was tragic and unnecessary. Now, we’ll get the bullshit around Bonds and Clemens.

    Bonds had ther numbers pre-steroids to get in. Clemens? Yeah, I guess. The biggest problem I have with the so-called steroid era is that EVERYONE knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it for over 14 years. In the end you could say that steroids saved baseball, as attendance dropped significantly after the 1993 strike. If not for steroids, the league would have more than likely contracted by 1996. The home run race between Sosa and McGwire especially started putting butts back into seats. Sandy Alderson vacated his post in the commissioner’s office mainly because the steroid trail went right through Alderson during his tenure with the Oakland A’s and the league was finally getting serious by 2004. Well, sort of.

  2. Chico says:

    “During the steroid era, both the players and the franchises grew enormously. Steroids healed the injuries of the 1994 strike. Steroids changed the game. The instructions to the voters should not ignore those overriding facts.”

    And MLB knew, too… It’s too bad that MLB tainted their own league — relying on players to bring back baseball’s popularity, then throwing them under the bus after those tainted players did what MLB wanted them to do.. I agree with Chuck, the whole thing is a joke. . . It reminds me of the politics of running for class president, or a popularity contest among the writers..

    As I have told Xoot, I know what Barry does off the field.. He’s a very generous man to a cause he’s really into — helping kids with cancer.. He has repeatedly requested no media attention to the things he does off the field.. Maybe if he would have went public with it, and let the media in, people’s opinion of him might have changed..

  3. sandy32koufax says:

    Wrong is wrong.

    Period.

    The obscene $$$$$ contracts for securing those pl*yers and the costs that have since blossomed to merely attend a game with a “cheap beer and some sort of nosh” are a direct reflection that rise in power stats per season. Those stats, btw, are not limited to HRs. Look at pitchers. Clemens winning so many CY awards based his “ability” to win, KO and pitch incredible #’s of innings.

    If an entire generation of cheaters-whether aided and abetted by ownership and the press or not-are guilty then why reward them with enshrinement? Make them wait to become HOFers elected by the Veterans committee.

    Wrong is wrong.

    Since this is all out in the open today, righting those wrongs brings a modicum of integrity not back to baseball itself but can keep the HOF clear of the scourge.

    Don’t like my POV? Fine. I have never liked or condoned cheating.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Let me take this a step further-my opinion is that just because everyone was doing and not putting a stop to it doesn’t mean it should be rewarded. I’m certain from my own experiences in the 79 and 80 college football season that using steroids have taken every sport to a level that is nothing more than chemically enhanced crazies.

      Say what you want about “every era has had some form of cheaters, Look at Ruth and booze” Booze does NOT have any good side effects, and I can rip on every other era’s own chemical cheating argument. Until the very late 60’s. What we saw from the mid80’s going forward has been an entirely different animal that should not be tolerated.

      Fuck the sportswriters for being complicit, I agree. But. If they have any integrity and can right their own wrongs, HOF seems the best place to make a stand.

      Call them holier than thou. Deride what they knew and didn’t report. If they have the fortitude to “do the right thing” at this late stage, I salute them.

      Rose, Jackson and several others wo deserve to be in the HOF cancelled themselves out, forever, by their own actions. Agree on Santo and WTF aren’t more relievers in there? It’s like ray Guy being passed over decade after decade by Canton

    • xoot says:

      Ok, you hate cheaters. And if you’d been the beat writer for the A’s from 1988 to 1992 you would’ve publicized Canseco’s definite past steroid use and obvious present use, you would have figured out with whom he was sharing his juice, and you would’ve reported it, right? Or would you have been C.W. Nevius, who published a column in the Chronicle in March 1989, which claimed that the connection between Canseco and steroids was tenuous–and then which went on, gratuitously, to suggest that there was not necessarily anything wrong or illicit about steroid use in baseball. (See Mitchell Report, pp. 63-64 & fn. 191.)

      The ballplayers got whip-sawed; Bonds is a classic example. If he didn’t start juicing after the McGwire/Sosa orgy of roids, he thought he’d be left behind. Hundreds of far less talented players felt the same compulsion–just to survive in the game. mlb and the owners were happy with the HRs and the Clemens or Gagne FBs. The commissioner’s office, the owners and front offices, the managers and coaches, the writers, the players, the union, and the fans were all culpable, in my view, in that narrowing, descending order.

      But my point right now is that the hypocritical writers are handing out the punishment–to a few of the best players only.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        I’m just a stupid carpenter that saw how guys on jobsites would put up more linear footage due to speed. Or hung more drywall for the same reasons. They kept jobs and were rewarded with bonuses they didn’t deserve. It isn’t just professional sports/ I knew how and why those guys were out-producing me and lost jobs for mentioning it. So yes, I took it o my union and saw drug testing implemented in a very widespread manner. It worked.

        No having been a sportswriter but basing my own personal experiences inre this very same issue: YES! I would have outed those fux for ‘using.”

  4. unca_chuck says:

    I guess Mays and Mantle should be booted for being on the payroll of casinos then.

    Probabaly 75% of the players in the 60s were using speed at one time or another. Coffee pots in the clubhouses were labeled ‘leaded’ and ‘unleaded.’ The meaning being clear. Should they be banned as well? Do you consider speed to be a PED?

    Besides, what Bonds and others were doing wasn’t against the rules at the time, as there WERE no rules regarding steroids in baseball in the 90s. So they didn’t break any rules. Cocaine and speed certainly were around in the 20s and 30s as well. Who’s to say Ruth wasn’t doing coke? No one on earth is saying booze and hotdogs helped Ruth in any way. But in the 20s speed was available over the counter. Coke was easy enough to get. Are steroids ‘a different animal’? Sure, but to make them an example now is to disavow all the cheating that went on before. You start there, you have to backtrack.

    The thing is, players who don’t deserve to get in, aren’t. Brady Anderson, a guy who profited immensely from roids isn’t going to the hall. Nor is Mark McGwire. He’s too shitty and one-dimensional. Bonds would have made it without them, as would have Clemens (although I can’t stand him).

    No, the hall of fmae is not the place to make a stand. Not when Bud Selig, the owners, trainers, equipment managers, agents and everyone else involved in MLB was in on the deal. If the players will get penalized for rukles they didn’t break, then Bud Selig should be run out of town as the worst commissioner in MLB history for allowing this travesty to go on for so many years without lifting a finger to curtail it. Truth is, steroids filled the coffers of the owners. Bud liked that. If you are going to come down on the players, why not the people around them that coddled and supported their behavior? Or stonewalled meaningful testing for years?

    To lay this solely at the feet of the players is ludicrous. Ryan Braun being the latest example of the idiocy around steroid testing. The fans don’t care. Melky Cabrera just scored a 2 year, $18 million deal with the Blue Jays. This tainted legacy is left yup to a bunch of writers who were in on the joke? Fuck that. If they don;t vote these guys in, then they are hypocrites of the highest order.

    • datswhatsup says:

      Carlos Ruiz found speed to be a problem with MLB

    • xoot says:

      Yep. If the sanctimonious writers want to black-ball Bonds because of his conviction, I can stomach that. It’s stupid and narrow-minded. (Hell, Gandhi was a convicted felon. Sedition, 1922; spent a few years in prison. A joke for the splashers. ;)) But it’s at least defensible. Black-balling Bonds for doing what provided you with the biggest stories you wrote from 1997 to 2002, while you fearfully sat on the steroid news, is not defensible.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      What they did after they retired is meaningless. Poor analogy.

      • xoot says:

        Not if you read the instructions to the voters carefully. And it’s not an analogy, it’s part of the actual mix.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Then shame on them for not placing value on their own voting criteria.

          Should that go on merely because a “name” is too “high profile” to leave out of the HOF?

          THAT is the height of hypocrisy

      • sandy32koufax says:

        BTW, not Bonds. All that appear on the Mitchell report and those hidden drug tests that never had actions against the violators-that’s a starting place.

        It’s incredible to me to think that people still find it a viable argument comparing speed to roids. Speed had immediate bad side effects which diminished rather than enhanced a players abilities..

        As for the sanctimonious argument put forth, I have no qualms admitting to myself being a convicted felon. That didn’t get in the way of my seeing that using drugs at work to enhance ones abilities is completely wrong

        • datswhatsup says:

          Come on sfdf
          If you want to say roids are worse.than speed okay.

          But don’t tell me speed doesn’t help…why would they and Ruiz. Take it?

          • sandy32koufax says:

            Look at anyone that uses “speed” on a regular basis THEN get back to me on how helpful it is.

            Roids are the worst though.

            I never said anything was worse than another, did I?

  5. datswhatsup says:

    Hey if Bonds was a Dodger instead of a Giant I would feel differently, that’s me being honest.

    My issue with keeping him out is that a huge portion of each roster (per Gagne & Canseco) did it, problem is we do not know who.

    Big guys like Bonds, Canseco, McGwire, Cammanetti, Glaus are easy to spot.

    Angry guys like Kevin Brown & Clemmens are easy to spot.

    What about guys like D Ortiz, Mondesi, Shawn Green & Brady Anderson who had monster years right before a contract year.

    How about fat guys like Melky and Colon?

    There were no people screaming Manny was a cheat until it proved true. He was being heralded as the best hitter of his time since Bonds was disgraced. Did Jeff Kent luck out like Manny did until the bust?

    I for one would not be shocked to learn that Ripkin, Jeter or Omar Visquel took them to stay on the field. Not saying they did but I would not be shocked.

    My point is that if 50% (pick whatever number you wish) of the players were on them and it’s not obvious who was and wasn’t, how do you decide? Or more importantly can they same writers who ignored McGwire/Sosa be allowed to pick and choose who they think deserves in?

    I say let them in and let the steroid issue be a part of their bio in the HoF

    Me, I think Piazza juiced big time, and I say let him in, but if he did cheat is he just in because he got out at the right time or because he was clean?

    Who is Solomon? Who gets to decide?

    • datswhatsup says:

      I knew I was a douche bag but looking at this post I’m a gas bag too.

    • mailorderwife says:

      “I say let them in and let the steroid issue be a part of their bio in the HoF” – I wholeheartedly agree with this.

      • xoot says:

        I agree that’s a start. Being the father of two baseball-playing Giants fans makes this issue very complicated for me. I took my older son to his first Giants game at the Stick in 93, when he was 2 yrs old. He had some moments on tv, for his enthusiastic cheering, during the playoffs and WS in 2002. The younger kid, both a fan and an excellent player, was stunned in 2003 when the BALCO bust hit the news. Obviously I don’t want to see roids on the LLeague field or in the HS locker room. But the lessons of crime and punishment here are not simple.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Yet something does need to change. Drugs are prevalent in our society. Jy league hockey players under 18 routinely use roids to gain the scouts eye. Football stars that have the resources use undetectables. Where does it end?

          Better question: How many that never had a chance of making it to the big-time used these drugs with such horrible side-effects and today are dying terrible deaths? And they did it because of the lure of being the next big name…

  6. sandy32koufax says:

    MLBPA is as big a part of this issue as any writer or team exec or league official.

    Set REAL and serious far-reaching penalties for getting caught. Don’t forewarn players re testing. If a player has an actually reason for using a substance, a medical condition that is verifiable by truly independent sources, he gets a pass. Everyone else should take it on the nose.

    Ya, I’m a hardass about this. I saw how it effected my industry and how it has adversely effected sports from Little League on up. Time to draw a real line in sand and put an end to it.

    In every arena which utilizes the human body to secure superior results.

    Call me an altruist or whichever word fits. Right is right and anything else is wrong.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Here’s the bottom line-you that believe in giving a pass to roiders have you opinions-I have mine.

      I didn’t want M*nny and many other of those guys to be Dodgers. I didn’t want Lawrence to a Ram. I didn’t want Rodman to be a Laker…roiders do not belong in any sports arena.

      Period.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Hell, I don’t want McGwire as LA hitting coach…

      • datswhatsup says:

        understood, but my point about Manny was not that you’d love him because he was a dodger, but that until he got popped in L.A. no one was saying he was roiding.

        For voters to think they “know” who did and who didn’t is laughable.

  7. Chico says:

    Anyone know what Slusser’s opinion on this is?

    • xoot says:

      It think she’s full of sanctimony and will hold juicing against a player. I believe she posted about it when she was formally appointed this year’s BBWAA President. (The presidency rotates every year from mlb territory to territory, btw; Slusser also has said that Henry S. wasn’t interested in the post.)

      Baggarly said during his first day on Jeopardy that he intends to set the roid issue aside and evaluate the player’s performance; juicing or suspected juicing, he indicated, definitely would not be a deciding factor for him. Fucking Alex Trebek asked him point-blank on national tv. Nice moment, for both of them.

      • Chico says:

        Figures… And yeah, I remember Baggs saying that on Jeopardy.. At some point the writers will come around imo. They just simply can’t forget what happened for over a decade and act like they were surprised. Fucking hypocrites.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Color her sanctimonious if you will…I’d prefer reformed or even, finally, doing what all sportswriters that colluded with their beat teams did and saying “I will not support any longer the farce that MLB and I allowed to take place.”

          Good for her and any and all others that rage agianst their own misdeeds and the machine which allowed it the first place.

          I’m out for a few hours…stupid work is bugging me to be “present” ashcans 😉

  8. Chico says:

    OT… Why in the hell is Wolf Blitzer interviewing the CEO of Goldman Sachs about the ‘fiscal cliff’… His punkass is responsible for a lot that’s wrong right now. Who cares what he has to say about it?

    • Chico says:

      Oh, I forgot, this is when the President meets with ‘business leaders’… Blach.

      • shaman138 says:

        By “meeting” he’s really bending over for them. They’ll find a way to come out on top of this in the end in spite of the public’s disapproval . Obama is a joke, and the fact that JP Morgan’s CEO is a serious candidate for Secretary of the Treasury proves it.

  9. unca_chuck says:

    Sandy, the problem is, when roiding wasn’t cheating, upwards of 60%-70%+ were using. Most of them NOT stars. Most of them were fringe guys trying to stick around. Say, Marvin Benard. If a guy like Brady Anderson, a guy who barely hit 18 dingers a year, can go hit 52, guys like Sosa and McGwire think, hey, I can go ballistic with no ramifications. What are other players going to do? You either exclude everyone who played at any time that touches 1987 through 2003, or you let the numbers stand.

    Not being caught is the criteria for inclusion? Hypocritical.

    Everyone who played n the steroid era is tainted.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      See, whether it’s one or one hundred % do it, it’s STILL cheating.

      And that’s a specious argument that I will never find acceptable.
      “I HAD to do roids cuz everyone else did em”

      • xoot says:

        Roids weren’t outlawed by mlb for a long time, because Selig got installed as interim commish while Fay Vincent was trying to shut down roids. The entire area was foggy for many years. Then the chemists (at BALCO and elsewhere) developed unbanned substances to sidestep the rules. “Cheating” is not a stable concept. That’s the post-modern world. That’s it.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          From Cornelia Ender and her ‘mates looking like a shaved version of the East German weightlifting team to McGwires’ proud boast about Andro I have detested those who have used PEDs and been amazed that anyone would seem to say, “Hey, that’s just how it is.”

          Fuck that and Fuck that “That’s the post-modern world” shite.

          When evolution changes us in a hundred or a thousand years to be able to equal those feats of strength and stamina, fine. To say that shit like lack of a trial for either Hayashi’s thefts or Mirkarimis’ DV or the guy that ran over those Occupy idiots in his Mercedes galls me and drives my next paragraph home. Because I find all of this to be related.

          When our entire society has, and oh yes-it has, gotten to a point where lying, cheating and stealing are acceptable-I don’t say forgivable because I believe in second chances for everyone-then something as benign as a steroid cheat (and screw what the “rules” were, it was still a violation of any contracts’ morals or ethics clause) not to mention all those othe examples I have cited, then we are headed nowhere positive.

          Where the fuck do we draw the line?

        • xoot says:

          Professional sports is entertainment not religious rite. There’s no reason to try to preserve some mythical purity. PEDs run on a spectrum from gatorade and copenhagen at one end to roids and hgh at the other. Kids drink caffeine before and during games. Hell, some of them are on adderall or similar drugs, too. Pharmaceutical technology is part of everyday life. Ambitious MBA, JD and med students take adderall and keep using it when they start their careers. People use powerful hormones to effect sex changes. A huge part of the population is popping antidepressants. And roids often get prescribed to speed the healing process. Regulating PED use is complicated and difficult because we live in a drug culture. I’m not arguing against regulation. But I am objecting to any attempt to place all, or even most, of the blame for the steroid era in baseball on the players individually. They’re products of the culture, and mlb (abetted, as I say, by the silent writers) allowed roids to become a strong element of baseball culture. There’s no reason to impose exalted standards of conduct on players. They’re extraordinary athletes, not paragons of virtue.

  10. shaman138 says:

    Whaaaaaaat?? Just saw on MOW’s Hot Stove that B-Wheezy is interested in going to the Doggies if he doesn’t sign with SF. Not sure if this is a joke or not–I hope not. We seemed to do fine without him this season, though, so if he wants to take his act to LA, let him–the ghost of BroxTON will welcome him with open arms. Wilson also lost a ton of party points with me after doing that dumb-ass commercial with MC Hammer stumping for Ed Lee.

    • xoot says:

      Yeah, I saw MOW’s update, too, and I just about threw my Barry Bonds Bobble-Head across the office. Apparently one well-known national correspondent tweeted about it. Only one, but still. As usual, MOW’s tone was just right. wtf, Brian?

      • shaman138 says:

        Speaking of Bonds, I love how the A’sshole fans are waxing sanctimonious on the Splash, calling for his head as if their beloved Bashhole Bros. weren’t the O.G.’s of steroid use. But, as we all know, that’s the whole idea–their “news director” creates a win-win situation–he gets to bring the trolls out of the woodwork and generate extra ad revenue at the same time. SFGate is a joke, designed by and for SF Bay Area closet Republicans and fringe lunatics. Thank God for blogs like this

  11. unca_chuck says:

    No way Wilson gets any kind of guaranteed contract. If he want’s an incentive-laden deal to stay, sure. But him coming off his 2nd TJ surgery is a big red flag. As noted, the GIants won it all without him. He needs the team more than the team needs him. Great guy, hard worker, tough as hell, but no guaranteed deal for you. The Dodgers can give him a 3 year/$24 mill guaranteed deal.

    Of course he wants to go to the Dogs. Great theatre.

  12. unca_chuck says:

    Why the fuck does wordpress make me log on every time I visit this site?

    • Chico says:

      If I remember correctly, JDR made it this way because it would be easier to run? I don’t know for sure, but it is a pain in the ass.

  13. mailorderwife says:

    I wish Alex Smith signed elsewhere in the off season. I wasn’t his biggest fan for a long time, but he has always been a class act. I understand that football is a cut throat business, but I think Smith deserves to be treated far better.

    TBH, my childhood love for the 49ers and the NFL has been slowly dwindling away since the Dorks took over the team. Nothing really to do with the game, but the whole stadium thing with those asshole billionaires asking a small town for tax money to build a playpen pissed me off so much. Add to that the idea that long time season ticket holders are expected to fork over outrageous license fees that double as a down payment for a decent home leaves too bitter of a taste in my mouth.

    The Smith thing is sort of the icing on the cake. I wasn’t too pleased that Hairball sort of dicked around with Smith in the off season by visiting Peyton Manning, then coming back and saying YEAH YOU WERE ALWAYS OUR GUY. Yeah, maybe I’m interjecting too much estrogen based empathy, but football is becoming less of a “fill the time until baseball season” sport for me. I wish the NHL would end that strike :<

    • Chico says:

      I got flamed for saying this on the Niner insider blog, but I think Santa Clara is screwed! I don’t believe in public tax dollars going towards billionaires or their stadiums. I’ll always love the Niners, and I’ll go to a game or two a few years down the road if I can find a couple of affordable tickets, but I don’t agree with the way they did it. Kind of a double standard on my part but that’s just me.

    • shaman138 says:

      You took words right out of my mouth, MOW–this football season has been pretty fucking lame for me and without hockey I’ve had to find other things to do. The Yorks are petty assholes and Jed and Co. are damned lucky to have gotten Baalke and Harbaugh on board to turn this team around. I saw some of those prices for the new stadium and my jaw just fucking dropped–there are a LOT of 9er fans who have been season ticket holders for generations and they’re about to be priced out. But, as with the heinous gentrification going on, it’s apparently the new San Francisco way. Damn, I love this city, but it’s slowly but surely selling out……but I digress.

      As for Harbaaaah, he’s like a Karl Rove of football–brilliant but a mean, self-serving SOB. I truly believe this QB move is going to bite the team in the ass down the road in the playoffs…no specific reason, just a hunch. I just don’t think Krapeernick is ready yet.

      • Chico says:

        It’s amazing that a world class city, smack dab in the middle of some of the smartest people in the world can’t get more smart people to run it.

      • mailorderwife says:

        Excellent excellent comments.

        Yeah…I guess we’re all used to an older San Francisco. The blue collar one that was still normal working class — not techno class — with a liberal/progressive worldly outlook. In this, I remember the 49ers of Kezar. I loved them before I ever caught on to the Giants (that was done in Japan, thanks to my grandfather). I still remember old station wagons circling the neighborhood in search of parking. I lived on Arguello and Cabrillo, and Kezar was still across the park from me. However, I could still hear the roar of the fans in the afternoon, and that made me want to love the 49ers.

        I was surprised that SC bought into the whole stadium idea. They’re what…100k in population, now saddled with a tremendous debt? And the Dorks are going to give 49ers many years of bandwagon corporate employee fans and clients who will sit there, mildly cheer and perhaps leave before the game ends. I may not be a big fan of the SF Giants penchant for pandering to the $$$, but at least they paid for their own stadium. The 49ers are pushing away their long time loyal fan base for a stadium that will be built by public money for the benefit of assholes who live in Ohio. That’s all kinds of screwed up.

  14. unca_chuck says:

    Sandy, the whole point is, if you don’t get behind cheating, then no one from the steroid era is eligible for the HOF. They are all under the cloud of suspiscion.

    As far as the Niners go, yeah. I aint thrilled about ticket prices doubling (at best), and the fact they aren’t in their namesake city, but it beats seeing them move somewhere else. I was pissed the Yorks let the deal expire in SF, but that site (where the Stick is) isn’t all the great. And a shopping mall down there in Hunters Point? Good luck with that. If I lived in Santa Clara county, I might be concerned, but when the Super Bowl comes knocking, the fucked up part is most of the people going will stay in the city. Sure, SC county will get a good amount of money from it, as well as the games played there, but a lot of it will still go to SF. They geta the money without ponying up for the stadium.

  15. xoot says:

    Hilarious hour on the splash today from about 3-4 pm. I don’t understand how one of our friends located that old photo of mossback. I thought stuff like that got deleted when his account got banned. But seeing it plastered all over the blog for a while was fun.

    • Chico says:

      Unfortunately I had to run some errands so I missed the good stuff.. Looks like the new Moss troll was banned, and WBB is back.. Wonderful.

      • xoot says:

        vk once told me that he was certain giantsrock is not WBB.

        • shaman138 says:

          Another bullshit lie. Almost every comment from any of us calling out those stupid trolls was deleted this evening but their crap is up and running. He knows what’s going on and encourages that crap–he’s just a jealous hater like his minions. It’s not even worth the effort anymore–time to keep this blog alive and well. The Giants are WS champions while the A’s are also-rans with a horrible fan base.

        • xoot says:

          No reason to get excited. the chronicle and sfgate have turned into jokes. Briefly today the splash was funny again. There may be ways to toy with the place and with its admins and trolls. Meanwhile, thanks to jdr, we have an alternative.

          • Chico says:

            I was bust with family.. Then I gave Sandy a call back, logged onto the Splash to see every comment I made there today was removed. The only comments that are still left up are the A’s troll, LaRubia and WBB on that page. It ain’t worth it anymore.

  16. monsieur88 says:

    Hey, is it legal on this site to call the LADyboys the LADyboys? Just checking. Another phrase I’d like to clear up front: We’re World Champs Again, Bitch!

  17. xoot says:

    The latest entries on the Hot Stove thread are interesting (and well written). Particularly the A.J. Pierzynski item. Now that it’s mentioned as a possibility, it occurs to me that maybe he really should be a dodger. Stoke that rivalry!

    • Chico says:

      That would be great for the rivalry.
      Surprised though, I thought AJ Ellis was one of their more consistent hitters last year (he surprised the hell out of me).. No Defense though.

  18. Chico says:

    WBBsAs
    The Anaheimers have claimed Scott Cousins on waivers. Hopefully, they play the Gnats gnext year.

    http://www.mikesciosciastragicillness.com/2012/11/30/on-having-too-many-starting-pitchers/14847#respond

  19. mailorderwife says:

    Apologies…I had the wrong date on my blog. There are entries there from earlier today.

  20. sandy32koufax says:

    WTF? Mora played for the tie and then misses the fucking FG?

  21. sandy32koufax says:

    Comcast 698 on Directv…SI game.

  22. shaman138 says:

    Those stupid Furdies found a way to actually squeak their way to a Pac 12 championship. Motherfuckers…and it’ll most likely be be Notre Dame vs. Alabama in the Bowl Championship. This football season SUCKS!

  23. sandy32koufax says:

    SI wins it in OT, 13-10

  24. sandy32koufax says:

    man, xoot and I had tons of comments taken down last night. We were talking about HS football among other things. WTF? I wish I had time to go to the Chronicle and give someone that matters a piece of my mind about moderation…

    • xoot says:

      Yeah, we really must’ve crossed the line with our SF supermarket chatter. That weird jackass mosshead and the other clownish AAA’s fan just can’t let it go.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Twerps over there are killing me. Whether it’s the madman from Walnut Creek or the mossbutt from Oaktown makes no difference-they need to have innocuous comments removed…Fuckers.

        Would someone hover their mouse over my avatar and see if I’m “under review” please?

  25. xoot says:

    NBC bay area is reporting that the Giants have offered Angel Pagan a 4 year deal, in response to the Phillies’ offer. I won’t believe it until I hear from MOW, however.

  26. xoot says:

    The 49ers offense has now scored twice for the Rams.

  27. sandy32koufax says:

    No matter what…49ers suck

  28. sandy32koufax says:

    Adrian Peterson averages 10 YPC for 210 yards!

  29. sandy32koufax says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    HARBAUGH’S A GENIUS!

    • shaman138 says:

      He should have known better after his weird two QB fetish failed miserably against the blue Giants. Meanwhile, that “other” team is already getting spanked by Cleveland.

      God, I hate being a Raiders fan

  30. mailorderwife says:

    I turned on the 49ers but ended up watching a Lifetime movie on the Craigslist Killer. L-I-F-E-T-I-M-E. That’s just how excited I am about football!

  31. sandy32koufax says:

    Romeo Crennel and all of the NFL is/are full of shit.

    The ONLY reason they chose to play today’s game was $$$$. I wouldn’t have cancelled the game either but I would have been honest about it and stated MY reason: Belcher doesn’t get to disrupt anything more than he has. Creepy, sick, selfish bastard…

  32. sandy32koufax says:

    Deride this if you’d like but…

    The team with the best record inter-conf the NFL Western Conf sits with a 4-0-1.

    Yes, I DO understand that they are also 5-6-1 on the season…

  33. unca_chuck says:

    One bad game and you are throwing in the towel, Sham? I mean really, it’s not like we traded all of our draft choices away for a retired QB who throws a pick a game. And is leading the team back to oblivion.

    At this point, the Niners are the #2 seed in the NFC. There will be hell to pay if the Niners somehow lose to Miami, though. Going to Seattle on a 2-game losing streak, with the division lead on the line, would not be a great situatuion to be in.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      One bad game?

      If you mean Kaep, alright.

      If you are referring to the team…think again.

      Couldn’t beat the Rams…

  34. unca_chuck says:

    Well, some teams have your number. The fucking Jets beat StL easily last week. Go figure.
    The Raidrs beat Pittsburgh. And who?

    Beating the Pack, Det, AZ, and NO on the road is no mean feat. Throw in Chicago and Seattle at home, and I like our chances going forward.

    The Raiders? Please. They traded their 2013 draft for Palmer? Oooops. When does Allen get the axe? Who knew they shoulda stuck with Hue?

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