This isn’t 2010. This isn’t a cocky, emerging team that knows it can shut anyone down and hold teams off until the clutch hits come.

This is a vulnerable Giants team. This is a club with starters who have been brought to earth, flawed hurlers who leave the ball up in the zone and relievers who walk guys they shouldn’t and let strong hitters put liners in play. This is a team of underachieving hitters who leave runners in scoring position and strike out when it matters most.

And that is what makes them special.

This is a Giants team that has no reasonable business in the NLCS. Where 2010 was the team of destiny, the fun-loving misfits who had too much stuff to be denied, 2012 is a team of survivors. A team of scrappy players who overcome themselves to pull it together just long enough to finish ahead of the other guys. They’re a team of guys who play over their heads just long enough to nail it down. Where the Giants were the menacing caricature of Brian Wilson, the 2012 Giants are the piecemeal fill-ins who supplement stuff with heart, they’re the Sergio Romos, the Marco Scutaros.

They’re a different kind of misfits. They’re a team who really has been left for dead, an unlikely champion in every sense of the word. In 2010 we never doubted, in 2012 we never stopped doubting. Truly this is a team who deserves to be in the World Series.

We have a day off before the World Series starts. I suggest we all spend it relishing what happened tonight. Truly one of the defining moments of this generation of Giants.

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  1. xoot says:

    Great post.
    I also suggest that those of us who never gave up on this team allow ourselves a very small trace of self-congratulation as we admire what this team has accomplished. I’ve heard Giants fans in the past few weeks say, “Well, they’ll probably lose in the playoffs, but I’m okay with that. It’s not the same as 2010.” Well, no. It’s not the same as 2010, but it’s just as good. And a lot of us aren’t ok with the idea of losing; nor are these Giants.

  2. shaman138 says:

    That ninth inning in the pouring rain was just out of this fucking world. Truly unbelievable. YESSSSSSSSSSS! Enjoy it tonight and then get ready to de-claw some Detroit kitties. Go Giants!

  3. filthychangeup says:

    CAN I GET A FUCK YEAH?!? Mmm troll tears taste so yummy!

  4. sandy32koufax says:

    Dig this, Jints fans…

  5. shaman138 says:

    Bumgarner gets the nod for game 2…you have to think Bochy will have him on a short leash this time, ready to put Lincecum in for long relief at a moment’s notice.

  6. xoot says:

    Delmon Young played a total of 226 innings in the OF this year. He started 36 games in the field and finished 11. 38 chances — 2 errors. Given his burgeoning weight, he probably just didn’t get close enough to many others to make them chances. The fans in the LF corner should have fun with him.

    Of course, Demon, a top draft pick in 2003, really made his name in the minors:

  7. unca_chuck says:

    Didn’t he also throw a baseball int the stands and injure a fan? True class guy.

    The worry about Bummie is what if Zito struggles and they need to bring Timmy in tonight? I guess Mota would get some innings. . . *gulp*

    • JDR says:

      If both of them are struggling I think the Giants will be fucked to the point where it doesn’t much matter who’s coming out of the pen.

  8. unca_chuck says:

    Well, today’s game is going to be rough. Zito/Verlander? On the face of it the Detroit advantage is pretty large today. Bummie is a big ? as well, though. It’s just the nature of how the Giants got through the playoffs that they are forced to hold their aces until games 3 and 4.

    Detroit has the advantage to be able to set their rotation with Verlander leading the charge. BUT, I think the Giants rolling right into the WS is a factor as well. Detroit played their instructional league team, but I’m not sure how that hones one’s skills for these games. The hope is the Giants get hot early and bury these guys with runs. They come out of these 2 games 1-1, I think they’ll take it. The Giants rotation is just a bit of a quandry now. Zito could bring it and do well, but beat Verlander? Bummie is the samwe deal. They say they fixed a mechanical problem. Hell of a time to be tinkering. But the alternative is Timmy. Who DID pitch well out of the pen, and I think that is the reason he’s not starting (well, that and the fact his last start was bad).

  9. shaman138 says:

    Wow, just saw that Bags (Andrew Baggarly) picks the Tigers to win in 5 (??!). He’s usually spot-on but he can’t be serious about this, can he? Damn, the whole damn media is licking Verlasshole’s nuts. I hope we knock him around like a rag doll tonight. And Detroit’s LU? The top three are good, but after that, not that spectacular. IMO, we win the WS on Halloween.

    • Chico says:

      I would say they are favored. Their SP is brutal, and they can hit the long ball in any park. We have the advantage on defense and on home field.. It’s gonna be tough, but we’ve been in this situation before. I don’t agree with Detroit in 5. Giants in 6!

      I’ll be at a get together at my buddy’s place for the first half of the game. Hope to join you guys later in the game *with a lead*

      Baggerly also said this in 2010 — “And my brain tells me that the Texas Rangers are precisely the type of team that the Giants don’t match up well against. They have the hottest pitcher in the postseason (Cliff Lee), the hottest hitter (Josh Hamilton, who, with four homers and eight walks in the ALCS, wasn’t far off being at Bonds’ level in 2002), and they’ve got plenty more than just those two guys, too.”

      • xoot says:

        Good research. Baggarly’s an excellent writer, a knowledgeable beat writer, and a very smart guy. But maybe he over-intellectuallizes.

  10. xoot says:

    Verlander’s going to get at least one win. But I agree — the Tigers’ offense is not overwhelming. Also, it’ll be fun to see the Giants smack Valverde around.

    • Chico says:

      I swear, in the game that Valverde got smacked around by the A’s – I almost convinced myself that it was rigged. Every single pitch was a straight fastball down the middle, and the A’s teed off. I couldn’t figure it out for the life of me. Here, hit it. Here, hit it. Amazing. I hope we get the same pitches from him

  11. sandy32koufax says:

    Well Jints fans, tonight is game 1 and like both teams odds for various reasons. Not all are “tangible” some defy logic while even others seem ”forgone conclusions.”

    If we are doing predictions, then here goes…Detroit sweeps.

    BTW? I’m outtie til after the game 🙂

  12. mailorderwife says:

    Well, I know what everyone says. I also know what the Giants can do. This level of baseball also depends on some magic and toadstools, doesn’t it?

  13. shoelessinlassen says:

    I like the Giants chances. And whenever Zito gets out of the first inning without giving up runs, his odds of pitching stronger through the night increases rather dramatically.

  14. shoelessinlassen says:

    Pablo Strikes First!

  15. mailorderwife says:


  16. xoot says:

    Classic Pablo HR. “How did he get on top of that?” shouts McCarver. He’s the Panda.

  17. shoelessinlassen says:

    A simply equisite curve ball toss to a Cabrera. Zito’s on his game tonight.

  18. shoelessinlassen says:

    Terrific at bat by Marco!

  19. JDR says:

    Nice of Joe Buck to remove his tongue from Verlander’s anus long enough to call that RBI single.

  20. mailorderwife says:


  21. shoelessinlassen says:

    Shades of the All Star Game … Giants bats are taking Verlander a part, pitch by pitch.

  22. JDR says:


  23. shoelessinlassen says:

    lol … magnificent man on a mission.

  24. shaman138 says:

    Fuck yeah!!! And I’m leaving the sound on on my TV….listening to Buck and McGarver’s anguish is making this even better

  25. Chico says:

    I can’t believe what I’m seeing, but I like it!! Holy shit!!

  26. shaman138 says:

    I thought Justin Verbieber was supposed to dominate tonight

  27. xoot says:

    Did you guys see Slusser’s story in the chron today recounting the A’s players view of the WS? Generally, they picked the Giants, and particularly pointed to the crowd at China Basin, which they said would be even louder than the Coli crowd was vs. the Tigers. Also, one of them noted that he had said all season long: The Giaints are the best team in baseball this year.

    The guys on the field aren’t surprised by this.

    Zito! Now that I only hoped for.

  28. shaman138 says:


  29. mailorderwife says:


  30. shoelessinlassen says:

    Zito! Anything’s possible!

  31. shoelessinlassen says:

    Verlander pitch count through 4 – 98. Wow. This game defies all Faux Sports pre-game-hype analysis tonight! ha!

  32. shoelessinlassen says:

    Sandoval: Lightning Strikes Thrice!!!

  33. mailorderwife says:

    HOLY FUCKING COW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  34. xoot says:

    Blanco! Now, please, no Melky stories, FOX.

  35. shoelessinlassen says:

    More Blanco Magic with his glove.

  36. shoelessinlassen says:

    Pablo at the plate. Are you dreaming what I’m dream … oh! Sandoval goes 4-4 with a single!

  37. xoot says:

    For christ’s sake. Bochy puts Arias at 3B and Mijares on the mound and we get a soft LD out from Fielder in the 9th. That’s so precise it’s almost frightening.

  38. shaman138 says:

    Even in a blowout there’s torture

  39. shoelessinlassen says:

    Kontos, otoh, showing understandable rookie nerves. 😦 (at least, I think this was Kontos’ rookie year.)

  40. shoelessinlassen says:

    Ladies & Gentlemen, Giants beat the ‘invincible’ Verlander and win Game 1 of the WS!!!!!!!!!!

  41. shaman138 says:

    We did it! Game one is ours. Bring on Doug…Fister (hahaha)

  42. xoot says:

    Great post-game interview with Zito. He may be able to pitch this well again in this series. This guy is both focused and loose. I’ll be damned. And I’ll take back my disappointment over Pablo. He appears to be well prepared for the PS.

    If they take tomorrow’s game, they’ll get one in Detroit despite the DH advantage there, and come home and finish it off. So take tomorrow!

  43. Chico says:

    Gimme a virtual high five!! Oh Yeah!! Nobody predicted this. Nobody.

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      I think a few of us thought – in the back of our minds – that if Verlander was going to be beaten, Game 1 was the Giants best chance to use the post NLCS momentum along with possible slow start from Justin … which is exactly what happened. Not that I predicted it, mind you, but it’s what my heart and mind were both in agreement on during pre-game ceremonies. 🙂

      • Chico says:

        Cheers shoeless 🙂 You’re a good man. A Giants fan, to boot.

        • mailorderwife says:

          I heard all the pre-game stuff from the networks about Verlander, and it was so reminiscent of the Halladay / Lee stuff in 2010. The Giants are a great team made better by a manager that seems to understand how to move and prepare the players for the next challenge.

  44. Chico says:

    What a huge win. I just can’t shut up. Sorry.

  45. sandy32koufax says:


    I was shocked from the get go…

    Could I have been more wrong?

    No more watching these games in bars!

    • Chico says:

      You’re not the only one who was shocked. When Pablo hit that second shot my nerves settled down a lot. It felt like a victory was going to happen.

    • shaman138 says:

      So much for a Tigers sweep. 🙂

      I’ve just been watching the games at home. No crowds, no hassle, and I live next door to a liquor store so the beer is cheap and plentiful.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Sandoval’s triple jack and Zito’s owning the badass Tiger’s…Pagan, Scutaro and Posey’s bats…defense that was way on-time (excluding Pagan’s Canseo moment)…ya, these cats are shocking in how easily they handled Detroit

        No sweep and put down the Steel Reserve…it’s WS time so party accordingly, try some Budweiser

  46. mailorderwife says:

    Going to San Francisco on Sunday with my baby. Can anyone recommend a good sports bar or bar to watch a game? We are taking in one of the away games with some friends. I like The Public House, although I always end up there before a game. My friends are coming in from Concord, so I’m sure they want to be near public transport (unless they want to drive, which is SOOO LA).

    • Chico says:

      Shaman or Sandy would probably have the best answer for you MOW. I rarely go to the city but when I do, I usually go to Kezar pub. I just love the location of that place.. Not so PT friendly though.

    • shaman138 says:

      Hmmm….well, I know of many bars, but if you want to be at a bar near BART there’s Dave’s on 3rd and Market by Montgomery BART, Left O’ Douls by Union Square, The Phoenix Bar on Valencia and 19th, Napper Tandy on 24th and S. VanNess…those are the few I can think of off of the top of my head. Mad Dog in the Fog in Lower Haight is cool, too, with a back yard with a TV but it’s a good ways from BART.

  47. Chico says:

    Shaman, not only does Tedford suck as a coach – Numbers were released today: Cal has the lowest Graduation success rate in the pac 12. When the alumni see this, he’s gone.

    • shaman138 says:

      So they not only suck but they can’t even graduate, either. Unbelievable.

    • mailorderwife says:

      Hmm…lots of angry Asian Ams out there if they hear that their place in class was taken by some flunkie who can’t graduate.

      • Chico says:

        To be fair, Cal sends a lot of talent to the NFL (people leave early) and 13 out of 18 seniors are going to graduate this year.. But still.. It could be better – a lot better.

    • xoot says:

      Chico, two things I think: First, it’s pretty easy to get into and out of Oregon and Ariz. state. God knows how USC manipulates the numbers. So you have to have some perspective. Second, things definitely have changed in recent years. Neither DeSean Jackson nor Marshawn Lynch ever cracked a book, you can bet on it. I sort of like Jahvid Best, and I haven’t heard anything about him, so I won’t lump him in that group. But I know a guy who walked on as a DB in the mid 80s because he’d gone to high school with Hardy Nickerson. As he put it, “I came to Berkeley to study. But my friend said they needed players, so . . . .” He ended up starting. Of course, those teams lost a lot of games. But the guy graduated Cal and went on to graduate from law school. Things have changed at Cal.

  48. unca_chuck says:

    MOW there’s a great bar called The 21st amendment a couple blocks from ATT, but it get packed. Not as bad as Momo’s, but close.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Hipster central there too.

      Unless it’s an upscale restaurant, it seems like every bar is a sports bar to one degree or another. As long as the joint has enough televisions, booze/brews and serves at least decent food (think Ireland’s32 all the way to Green’s Sports Bar).

      I’ll plug Philosopher’s Club. Board an L car to West Portal sta, Hang a left out of the sta. and follow the sidewalk around the corner to your left. It’s 2 or 3 doors up. The Chieftain Pub, corner of 5th and Howard. Marina Lounge/The Horseshoe Tavern @ Fillmore. They are on Chestnut I “think” it’s a 19 or a 24 bus from Van Ness and Market to Fillmore, then walk to Chestnut.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        And ya I know, most of those places DON’T serve but have uber good local restaurants you can phone order with. “waiters on Wheels?”

  49. JDR says:

    Thirsty Bear off of Third and Howard near Moscone Center is also good and right off the Bart line. House brewed beers and a decent tapas menu.

  50. sandy32koufax says:

    Those Jets just buzzed my place…two days in a row…very fuckin cool. I hope SF at least loses a couple so I can see them more.

    IDK how old most of you are but I miss sonic booms and growing up in an Air Force family, we heard it alla time

  51. mailorderwife says:

    I remember the sonic booms out in the avenues. Would freak us out.


  52. shoelessinlassen says:

    A strong (efficient) first inning for Bumgarner. Time to do it again in the second.

  53. Chico says:

    Kudos to Fister for staying in the game after taking that ball off the noggin.

  54. shoelessinlassen says:

    Scoot was sooooooooooooo safe … the ump needs a double lensectomy!!

  55. mailorderwife says:

    Rally time Giants!!! Do it for snotrocket!

  56. xoot says:

    This is a tough tough game.

  57. mailorderwife says:

    Let’s get something going, boys. Homerun here, triples alley there. GO GIants!

  58. Chico says:

    Pence is starting to get better at bats.. It’s about effin time.

  59. xoot says:

    butcher boy play?

  60. shoelessinlassen says:

    Giants walking to victory?

  61. shoelessinlassen says:

    Pence could sure earn his month’s paycheck right now!

  62. Chico says:

    Pence comes through! He’s getting better at bats folks.. Good sign

  63. Chico says:

    Haha! Cheers!

  64. xoot says:

    Wonderful. Congrats Giants fans! What a team.

    • shoelessinlassen says:

      What a difference it made to have Bumgarner get a few extra days of rest before tonight’s fantastic start.

  65. sandy32koufax says:

    Well, Jints are up 2 zip

    Congrats G-fans


  66. shaman138 says:

    As well as Bum and Fister pitched tonight (and Doug did get the loss, that IS a damn shame for how well he pitched, he was epic tonight) this game goes out to Corp. Nick Kimmel, the triple amputee who threw out the first pitch and threw it well. I’m not neceassarily a pro-military guy, but he deserves a round on Shaman.

  67. Chico says:

    Yeah, that’s right media – the Giants are just lucky. Detroit is averaging 1.5 runs per game and that’s luck? The Giants are out-playing them in every facet of the game and it’s luck? No idiots, Fister (who is a kid from Merced and still lives there) taking a ball off the head and not being hurt is luck. You don’t make it to two World Series in three years because of luck.

    Also, as blaze pointed out last night in the Splash – it was a pain in the rear trying to keep up with the updates – it wasn;t like that in 2010.

    Take a look at the way these guys do their blog post (singular)..

    It’s a perfect way of doing a live game blog with updates if you ask me. If i were running that site, this is the way I’d do it.

  68. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, Chico. They started doing that on the Insider as well. You have 4 writers cranking out 3 articles a day, so there’s never any flow to any of it. Just as soon as you get something going, there are 3 more blog posts up.

  69. shaman138 says:

    Here’s an excellent story from Michael Rosenberg–the east coast media shills can shove it.

  70. mailorderwife says:

    I was reading fan boards today and the whole “luck” thing seems to be a heavy theme, along with the “Tigers aren’t hitting” thing. No one ever wants to admit the Giants may have a good pitching staff and club except….yes…the Cardinals fans. Go figure.

    I don’t think I have ever appreciated a coaching staff so much.

  71. sandy32koufax says:

    So. You’re all in bars as I sit here STILL nursing a Friday night/Saturday wee hours hangover?


  72. sandy32koufax says:

    Well…Saint Ignatius just couldn’t pull it out at the end of the game…Bellarmine 35-28.

  73. mailorderwife says:

    We’re in Motor city! Let’s go Giants!

  74. sandy32koufax says:

    IF Fielder could run…nah

  75. mailorderwife says:

    I know how hard it is to get to the World Series, ya know? But what is up with Detroit’s defense? Hits to the outfield go past fielders, and throws back to the cut off man are intended for a Lion’s wide receiver out in Ohio.

  76. sandy32koufax says:

    Man, Jints D is pretty awesome tonight and Vogelsong up 2 and looking strong, even though Detroit has made some solid contact.

    Pick up some Steel Reserve, shaman…I’m still hungover and unpresentable but IDCare what you think.

  77. Chico says:

    Hell yes! Up 3-0.

  78. unca_chuck says:

    MOW, Deetroit was a .500 team til they got hot late and the ChiSox staggered and fell out of the lead. Funny thing is there were prognosticators out there saying Deetroit’s defense was better than the Giants. Utter stupidity. The GIants started out shaky, but they have been nails defensively for the last 3 months. The pitching? Written off with TImmy going south, but really.

  79. unca_chuck says:

    Wow. What a really stupid article. Smarmy in the extreme. Nightengale grudgingly gives the Giants one game due to our bullpen strength. Doesn’t he remember 2006? Verlander got raked then as well.

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