Second half begins with the Giants in first

You have to like the way things are going these days. The Giants are streaking and three games up, the Dodgers are looking entirely human, and Arizona is running out of time to make a big run.

That’s not to say there isn’t plenty that can go wrong. Timmy might not get it together after all, one of the other three could get hurt. Zito could shit the bed even worse than he normally does.

Or perhaps the Dodgers swing a big deal at the deadline. They have plenty of flaws, but they could also catch lightning in a bottle should they strike gold on a trade. Or Arizona could once again spontaneously combust and spend the rest of the summer playing out of their minds.

Or none of that happens and the Giants get some late relief help, win the division and go into October with a pitching staff that makes the 2010 squad look hittable by comparison.

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255 Responses to Second half begins with the Giants in first

  1. mailorderwife says:

    Well, on a sad note, RIP Cleveland Elam :<

  2. shaman138 says:

    Ahh, a brand new post here on JDR a.k.a. the squeak-free blog. The doommorons are back on the Splash mourning today’s loss, but it was just a loss–there’s a lot of them during a baseball season even for great teams. And we’re in first place.

  3. xoot says:

    This road trip is already better than the last one. Now, if the Phillies are properly exhausted and demoralized after yesterday’s loss in LA, we can thank them for their earlier wins vs. the bums, and take two of three from them, too.

  4. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, The hope is they can beat Philly, a team that is flailing in their old and bloated lineup. Another 2 of 3 would be great, but .500 would be fine compared to their last easy coast debacle.

  5. Chico says:

    Agreed, .500 would be great compared to our last east coast swing, though taking another series would be very nice. Whiteside is starting, and Hank tweeted that maybe there is a little bad blood between Posey and Timmy. Like Posey telling him “Do you know how fucking hard it is to block pitches that bounce 4 feet in front of the plate, all game long, dude?”

    C’mon Timmy! Have a game dude.

    OT: What a tragic mess Colorado. 12 dead including a 3 month old baby. . . Freaking sicko.

    EDIT: Bochy says that it was his call (giving Buster a break from the plate), and that Timmy doesn’t care who he throws to. Who knows.

  6. xoot says:

    I’m stuck at work for a while, following the game on the computer. How did Lincecum balk?

    btw, Andrew Baggarly’s a contestant on Jeopardy tonight.

  7. xoot says:

    Nice to hear the end of the game on the car radio and catch the 9th on the tube. Don’t ever give up on Lincecum.

    Baggarly got screwed on his first daily double — that bird question was too abstruse. Still, he hung in there. He also said on nat’l tv that great players suspected of steroid use deserve to get his HOF vote — for example, Bonds, this coming January. Talk about backbone. Alex Trabek was suitably impressed. And then Baggs fucking won the game. I think we should all send him congratulatory tweets.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      I watched that edition of Jeopardy too…Baggs was cool under fire. Disagree with him on the voting though. Let them all wait 5 years extra then consider them seriously as HOFers…

      Santo FINALLY gets in!

  8. xoot says:

    Ichiro to the Yankees today, just before the Yanks play — in Seattle. Wow.

    I think the commentators are right. The new Wild Card playoff has highly enhanced the value of an outright division title. The one-game play off between the two WC teams injects too much uncertainty into the WC’s chances now. The Yankees intend to do everything they can to win their division going away. That’s my guess.

  9. unca_chuck says:

    The main reason the juicers should be allowed in is because Selig and MLBPA resisted any meaningful steroid testing for 14 years. THEY created the problem. Then they act horrified when it was patently obvious guys were juicing.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Fine Chuck, let them in…5 years after their eligibility begins.

      That the league and ownership tacitly condoned juicing isn’t a reason to reward the players for having done it.

      Hard assed attitude? You bet.

      • xoot says:

        How do the writers who do the voting know who juiced? Oh, everybody knows, right? Exactly — the chickenshit mlb writers knew all along and they didn’t report it until the track coach blew BALCO open. Those hypocritical asswipes should punish the players they think they know used the juice? Or only the ones who have admitted using it (ARod, e.g.)? Bullshit. There is no one who can sit in judgment over the roid era. The culpability scale, worst to least: mlb, owners/GMs, managers/coaches, writers, players, fans.

        It’s more fair, and honest, to look at the career of Clemens and Bonds and to say, HOF, with or without roids, than it is to say, Oh, I know they took roids, even if they’ve never been convicted of it or admitted it, so no HOF now.

  10. JDR says:

    I think you’re going to see a run on players getting elected in 10-15 as the “old guard” and their self-righteousness step out and younger writers/vet committee guys get more pull.

  11. xoot says:

    I thought it was interesting that Andy Baggarly described himself as a journalist, not a sports writer, on Jeopardy. Clearly, it was a matter of pride. He then, when asked, took on the HOF/roid issue forthrightly. He seems to hold himself to the ethical standards of journalism, which I believe are infinitely different than the standards that apply to entertainment reviewers. Many sports writers are basically entertainment reviewers. I see a direct correlation between high ethical standards and a cold, objective, non-punitive eye on the HOF roiders.

    Strange profession, journalism. Lawyers, doctors, accountants, et al., have formal licensing agencies that crack down on unethical miscreants. The Sacramento lawyer who unethically leaked Barry Bonds grand jury testimony to the Chronicle ended up in jail — and he definitely belonged there. Is there anything analogous for journalists? I think journalists just get fired, or sued for defamation, or both. I’ll bet the Chronicle itself decided whether it would be ethical to publish the purloined text of the GJ testimony. I’ve always considered that act craven, because the Chron could’ve blown the whistle on steroids in mlb years earlier. It just wasn’t safe to do so, earlier. Once the evidence became overwhelming, then it was time to cash in on the scoops. Gwen Knapp, in her farewell column in the Chron, essentially suggested as much.

    Several of you on this blog know a bit more about these matters than I do, however . . . .

    • JDR says:

      There’s a big difference between what Baggs does (reporting) and guys like Jenkins and Ostler (editorializing.) At least, there should be (ahem… Grant Cohen.) I think it’s obvious that guys like Hank and Baggs genuinely enjoy being out and reporting the news more than they just want to hear themselves talk.

    • mailorderwife says:

      Oh oh…I have to defend entertainment reviewers here. I worked as a film critic, but I had the education/background to do it. You can get some bozo to review a movie, but there are serious film reviewers such as Pauline Kael or even Roger Ebert who understand and are educated on film as art, in the tradition of the Cahiers du Cinema. Most of these folk don’t fawn over movie stars as I’ve seen some nutty hacks do. Instead, they’ll discuss dogma film before they worry about Robert Pattison’s love life.

      In short, just sayin’ that critics are different from the folks you see on EXTRA.

  12. unca_chuck says:

    Well, the beat writers, guys who cover the team bay-to-day, are the ones who apparently were turning a blind eye to what was happening in the locker room. One guy called out McGwire and his jar of andro that was sitting right there in his locker. This was about 6 years after the fact that a lot of players were juicing. It still took another 8 years before testing was implemented.

    It just disgusts me that Selig pretty much sold the game out in his desperate efforts to save the game from the strike of ’93. Attendance was way down, and didn’t start recovering until the HR chase of McGwire and Sosa a few years later.

  13. xoot says:

    I don’t know much about the BBWAA. Coincidentally, young Susan Slusser has expressed her indignant goody-two-shoes approach to roiders and promised not to vote for any of them (admitted or suspected, I guess). She’ll take over as head of the BBWAA in January, because the post cycles from mlb region to region every year, with next year being the Bay Area’s turn, and Henry Schulman wants no part of it. Slusser’s post is probably administrative, and I have no idea if she’s representative of younger BBWAA members. She and Baggarly appear to be on opposite sides of the issue.

  14. Chico says:

    Well, the Dodgers got Ramirez and Choate (sp?), and are still looking for a starting pitcher, and they might get Hunter Pence, or Victorino, too.

    • shaman138 says:

      As xoot mentioned a couple of days ago, with the new wild-card playoff format, teams are going all in with trades to secure the division. The Doggers are making the moves they need to but so will the Giants–this should turn out to be a good race to the finish for the NL West crown.

      • Chico says:

        I never thought of that. Makes sense with the new format. Sabean has his work cut out for him but if we do make a move or two, I don’t see any big moves.

  15. shaman138 says:

    I’m feeling pretty lucky that I was able to be at last night’s game and witness some seriously clutch plays by the Giants. Thanks again, MOW!

  16. xoot says:

    Donnie Two Trips isn’t pleased with the late night in St. Louis tonight. I hope they play 18.

  17. unca_chuck says:

    Dogs lose again . . . ! May the curse of Carlos Beltran infest their dugout!

  18. xoot says:

    I became a Giants fan during the 1978 season. Long story. But right in the middle of my conversion, some friends asked if I wanted to go to a weekend Giants/Dodgers game. Well, sure. It was early August and both teams were battling for first place. You know the rest.

    There’s something great about Giants/Dodgers series in the second half of the season when both teams are in the race. Beat LA. (Then, later this year, beat NYY.)

  19. shaman138 says:

    That asshole umpire who always fucks the Giants over keep the dogs alive by calling an obvious strike three a ball and then stupud hanram hits a two run bomb. Fuck that bullshit! Fuck Ed Hitcocks.

  20. unca_chuck says:

    Well, that really sucked.

  21. shaman138 says:

    And now we’re getting pwned by Barbara. Fuck this series

  22. unca_chuck says:

    A revoltin’ development

  23. unca_chuck says:

    But wait! There’s more! Supposedly the Giants have acquired Hunter Pence from Philly. The deal is pending.

  24. xoot says:

    Brandon League and Shane Victorino seem likely this morning. Pence seems too expensive. Joe Blanton seems too risky, in several ways. (I always think of Blanton as Brad Penny, light.)

    • Chico says:

      Since when is voicing your opinion about law a violation of terms and conditions? VK censored you not once, but twice when you kindly replied to his comment. Unreal.

      • xoot says:

        Received at 1.19pm today, after I tried twice to reply to his comment on the law:

        “Mike— . I understand you’re frustrated with the anti-Giants trolls on Splash. We don’t like them either but since they’re clever enough to avoid violating our terms of service by using obscene language, racism, personally attacking people, etc., we recommend that users put them on ‘ignore’.
        “I’m going to ask you nicely— stop attacking me personally. Personal attacks are specifically banned under our terms of service, even if they’re about mean old S.O.B’s like me. I’ve asked the moderators to hold off on blocking the posterchild account for now.
        ” Vlae”

        All punctuation errors, and the omission of the word “not” before the word “using,” were in the original email.

        I’m considering my response. I suspect I’ll have an inspiration within a day or two. Meanwhile, I think I’ll just check the twitter feeds of Henry and Baggarly for news.

        • JDR says:

          Ask him about the time he called Cuban ballplayers lazy. Is there a rule about that?

          • filthychangeup says:

            ‘Tool’ doesn’t begin to describe him. If everyone is reporting Mollie as a troll and his comments are frequently removed then whats missing? The T&C needs to be revised to include “trolling”.

            • shaman138 says:

              Check out his comment on the beat today along with borgnanoprobe’s comment–those guys have a full head of steam because the A’s are hot right now, but in reality it’s the same old shit at the Coliseum and the Cinderella carraige is probably going to turn back into a pumpkin for the green and gold crew pretty soon.


              • Chico says:

                Personal attacks? WTF? You did no such thing – I read exactly what you wrote on both posts.

                • xoot says:

                  I responded to VK today. I was fairly polite. (For example, “prissy martinet” in my first draft became “thin-skinned authoritarian” in the final.) He promptly replied, going on for several paragraphs, but saying nothing. The comments after articles and on the blogs aren’t much concern to sfgate. Whatever the Canadian monitors do is ok. The entire site gets worse every day.

  25. mailorderwife says:

    I enjoy the sun for a few days and wtf happened :<

    • Chico says:

      We just got whooped in all phases of the game. Friday night really hurt, which I think carried over into the weekend.

  26. mailorderwife says:

    Wow…I guess LA is going after every player that were within the Giant radar. We should have shown interest in bringing back Aaron Rowand. Dodgers might have taken him, too.

  27. xoot says:

    Baggarly’s new blog is pretty good. The news feed there about Victorino to LA and Pence to SF has been much quicker than sfgate’s this morning.

    • Chico says:

      That Pence interview on your link was good. He’s a well spoken dude who doesn’t seem to get bothered by anything. Just takes it in stride.

  28. Chico says:

    Sorry for my French, but last night fucking sucked! Sorry for not calling you back Sandy, I wasn’t in the mood. I feel a little bit better today though. I think Sabean made a good trade.

  29. unca_chuck says:

    Pence is a Giant. Nate is a Phillie. He may not get here in time for tonight’s game.

  30. unca_chuck says:

    Victorino? Ehhh. I’m glad they didn’t get a top-flight pitcher for their rotation.

    • Chico says:

      Yeah, even Lasorda, a Dodger fan on sfgate admitted as much, basically saying that they needed rotation help but Texas jumped in and messed it up for the Dogs.

  31. Chico says:


  32. unca_chuck says:

    Can’t see the video. YouTube sez it’s private.

    • Chico says:


      This dude completely destroyed his house over it. Throwing chairs, breaking pictures on walls, knocking over tables. . He completely lost it — not surprising that he took his video down.

  33. xoot says:

    Best comment I heard from any Philly sportswriter: Pence has one swing. 0-2, 2-2, 3-2, 3-0 — his swing never changes.

  34. shaman138 says:

    Damnit, Giants. They are just sucking a fat one since Pablo went down. Ugh. So on that note…

    …Anyone want to talk Raiders football?

    • JDR says:

      Why talk about something that’s even more futile and depressing?

      Kidding. I guess if Peyton’s neck goes out and Palmer stays healthy they’ll have a pretty good shot at the division. They are rather screwed if Carson gets hurt though.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Go Hue-knee-ore!

  35. Chico says:

    I haven’t been around in a few days – I had a family member pass away (great aunt, 96 years old) and had an old friend of mine die in a motorcycle accident. . . On the SAME DAY! That’s 3 people I have known that died on motorcycles…

    Looking at the box score, I think Bochy’s talk with the players paid off.

    • mailorderwife says:

      Wow, Chico. My condolences. So sorry to hear of all the tragedy. I hope you’re okay.

      • Chico says:

        Thanks MOW – I’m fine. My G – Aunt lived a long life so it was more of a celebration of her life than anything else. . My friend, 33 years old had 2 kids (4 and 7) and a wife. The idiot was doing over 100MPH…. Sad, but pissed at the same time over it. I’ll probably never ride a motorcycle again.

        • mailorderwife says:

          Ahhh..yes. There is somebody in my neighborhood who pops wheelies while going over 90 mph on his motorcycle down a 40 mph suburban avenue. I haven’t seen him of late. I always worry about that guy. I’m so sad to hear about your friend. All that road freedom still requires lots of safety.

          • sandy32koufax says:

            Sorry for your losses, Chico…96 years are nothing to sneeze at and good for her! Like I said the other day though-ride your bike in the dirt and you’re better off.

  36. unca_chuck says:

    Went to school with a guy who did shit like that. Without a helmet. Had one of the Kawasaki KZ-1000’s they used to make in the late 70’s. Real light and real fast. Saw him hit the lane divider bumps (the hard prism-looking ones) on Canada Rd (where Edgewood meets it) going ~90 MPH. He laid the bike down, and slid what looked like a 1/4 mile. He rolled around a little bit, landed in the bushes down the road a piece, and got up cursing that he broke his taillight, bent his handlebars and tore some skin off his back. Didn’t stop him one bit. Like you, I’ve completely lost touch with the guy, so I have no idea what’s up with him.

  37. shaman138 says:

    I’m sorry for your loss, chico. I’ve always abhorred motorcyles and I always will. Rode on one once and held on to the guy driving it for dear life–it was scary as all hell. Those evil things are super dangerous even if the one riding it takes all precautions and rides as safely as possible…which doesn’t often happen. I see morons riding those around the city like maniacs all the time, running lights, going way too fast, etc. Stupid and dangerous.

  38. sandy32koufax says:

    Does ANY west coast team want to win their respective division?


  39. unca_chuck says:

    There are penty of safe riders out there. The problem is, safe or unsafe, you go down, you usually end up mangled badly, or dead. I’ll never ride a street bike mainly because I like going fast. I ride dirt bikes, and I usually don’t get into too much trouble. I did fall last year going about 50 MPH in a dry wash, but luckily I landed on my head (with a helmet) and rolled into the bushes. Thankfully my daughter behind me didn’t run me over. Still and all, there’s no people backing out of driveways, texting while drinking their lattes, or basically being idiots out there. The few people I knew who were injured or died on bikes were from others doing something wrong.

  40. Chico says:

    Agreed Chuck, no matter how defensive you are, if you do get into trouble on a bike, it’s usually going to turn out horrible for the motorcyclist.

    He was going north on 35 (skyline) in the slow lane doing at least 80 when a car in front of him decided to take the HWY 1 south exit so he didn’t reduce his speed. . Well, the driver of the car changed his mind that he didn’t want to take the exit and swerved back into the slow lane on 35 and BAM. Killed instantly.

    I ride dirt bikes on occasion whenever I visit my friend in Shingle Springs, or my other buddy up in Sierra City – but I always take it easy because I’m a novice (only rode like 10 times). . Pretty safe trails up there especially the property in Sierra City because it’s private (usually it’s like 3 or 4 couples W kids) when we meet up. I’m an avid surfer so that’s enough risk for me, especially post – kids..

    • xoot says:

      I had motorcycles when I was in college, and nearly got killed several times when idiots turned left in front of me when I had the right of way. Final time was a near disaster, with a rider behind me carrying beer we were bringing back to campus. He didn’t have a helmet on. When the pickup truck stopped in my lane, in the middle of a uturn, and the driver looked at me in terror, I had a choice: dump it, or hit the brakes. I hit the brakes, leaned left, and we slid screaming up to the truck. My face was within inches of the driver’s as I bumped up against the truck. I screamed at him, then twisted the gas and sped across the road. Thank the lard no one was coming down the hill in the other lane. My foot peg ripped a long gash in the side of his truck; my handlebars tore off his driver’s side mirror. My friend held onto the beer. That was about it for me.

      btw, turned out the truck belonged to the asshole’s father, so he lied about the accident. It was his word against mine (he claimed he was turning legally into a parking lot). The campus cops investigated. The broken glass from his mirror, left behind on the road, exactly where I said it would be, proved that I was telling the truth. Fucking motorcycles. . . . Fucking assholes that run them over.

  41. shaman138 says:

    I’d just like to thank our San Francisco Giants for allowing me to mock mlbsf1 in style this fine evening.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Well, I’m not about to be thankful for the SFGs


      ANY time and for any reason that anyone can take shots at that ace, it’s a good thing.

      Bills looking to stop the Blue Bleeding…

  42. Chico says:

    The Giants offense is coming alive. . Cant wait to get Pablo back… Vogelsong = STUD!

    USA vs Japan. May the best team win. . Starts in 5 minutes..

  43. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, that’s the thing about street bikes. I don’t trust myself OR the people around me . . . Dirt bikes, at least there’s little issue for others to screw you up. Plus my son is a little more cautious than me, so I keep the speed down.

  44. Chico says:

    Shaman, you got ‘er done! Well done man. . . VK zapped the fungus gnat!

    • shaman138 says:

      I just got sick and tired of kenny’s bullshit but I’ll still take him over WBBarf any day. Since vk asked me to elaborate on kenny, I decided to include Barf as well. He’s a sociopathic, ghoulish freak.

      • xoot says:

        According to his travel writing blog, he had triple bypass surgery earlier this summer. He didn’t post at all for a couple of months. Now he’s back, on the dodger blogs and the splash, as puerile as ever.

        • shaman138 says:

          You’d think something like that would humble the guy, get him to at least slow down a little. But, no, he’s the same as always, still rejoicing over players’ misfortuenes while he himself just had surgery. Sicko.

        • JDR says:

          And after all that time he spent taunting Crabby about his cancer treatment…

          The karma bus strikes again!

  45. shaman138 says:

    Any of you Niner fans down to go to the Coli for Raider Nation day?

    Bueller….Bueller….Frye….Frye..? Didn’t think so. Well, Go Giants!

  46. sandy32koufax says:

    Who is jive_7?

  47. Chico says:

    Goodbye 2012 summer olympics

    I’ll miss you.

  48. sandy32koufax says:

    The Washington A’s are winning tonight’s game.

    • Chico says:

      I just got home. . Holy shit.

      • xoot says:

        Bunch of dinks against Vogelsong, but he let it get away in the 3rd.

        Anybody else hear that little documentary about Eel Pie Island NPR played all day today? I happened to land on it while skipping around on the way home from work. Best British history lesson of the month. (The Olympics just bored me. Sorry.)

        • sandy32koufax says:

          Piss poor coverage and far too US-centric the way NBC followed the games…and wtf was with the announcers being drowned out by crowd noise, etc?

  49. shaman138 says:


    Melky the Milkmoron gets suspended, Giants are already getting spanked by the Nats, and I’m having the WORST fucking day ever at work. The G’s are the laughing-stock of baseball today, as if I don’t deal with enough of this shit being a Raiders fan. I’m so fucking over it. And the damn trolls are partying in the streets over on the gate. FUCK! FUCK!! I can’t catch a break lately.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Bang tough…it’s a beaut day and nothing can keep a malt liquor fan down 😉

    • filthychangeup says:

      Solidarity brother, I too had a horrific day at work. I found out by seeing Hank’s tweet that just said “I’m not joking folks, he’s out for the year”. I figured it was an injury. Hate to pull a WBB here but it’d almost be better if it was an injury. I can only hope the rest of the team rallies and proves they are good enough without the Melkdud. JFC, where did all these trolls come from on the Splash? Its like the 5 troll regulars celebrated by mass-producing troll accounts.

      • shaman138 says:

        The Splash article about Melky was, of course, put front and center on the main page of sfgate. Worst news of the year for the Giants immediately gets put into the spotlight and the “unbiased” mods and admins. allow the ensuing troll-fest to go completely unchecked. Personal attacks, vulgarity, et. al. is allowed. Complete bullshit. Too bad those sad A’ssholes have to get their kicks hating on the Giants because their team is pissing away yet another season of so-called contending baseball. But the shit we saw today would never be allowed on the Beat. Great news “direction”.

        • Chico says:

          “Reddick out with tooth problem” – Well, he does look like a lake county local, no? 😉

          You pour your heart and soul into a team that we’ve rooted for since we were infants and one of the players screws you over. . . Fuck Melky Cabrera. . He put a dagger through the hearts of many today… Fuck him.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Ironic that Baggs fell so completely on his sword trying to apologize for Cabrera’s lack of honesty…

      And ya, dude runs circles around the chron beat writers covering the Jints.

    • shaman138 says:

      Whoa. Intense.

      • Chico says:

        I don;t like his blog format and won’t be blogging there – but I’m going to start reading his stuff more often.. Hank’s tweets and political shit crack me up – but Baggs digs deep for info.

  50. shaman138 says:

    They tied it up! Let’s see some fire in yer belly, Giants!

  51. JDR says:

    Ah, I can’t even watch the game today. The hell with this, No Reservations is on.

  52. xoot says:

    Baggarly asked the question no journalist was willing to ask any of the obvious roiders circa 2000-2001. He dealt with the fallout; and then his lead turned out to be right. Now he’s still ahead of the rest of the writers. I heard him on the radio tonight, while I drove home, describing how shocked the teammates were. Melky was the first to show up to work in the cage every day, said Baggs; he worked hard, he kept to himself in the clubhouse, he played hard.

    Baggarly also said that the team did not know about the positive test until today (only Melky, his agent, and the union got notice — makes you wonder who leaked the lead to Baggarly). I think that’s right. I want to know when he was tested. I think random testing is only allowed in the offseason or ST. Otherwise, mlb has to have good cause to target a specific player. (see wikipedia) Melky may not have been juicing during the regular season. I think that’s an important point.

    But I’m sickened by his fuck up, no matter when it occurred. I heard the news from my older son. He called me at work, the instant word hit the web. His heart broke as only a 21 year old heart can. The good news is that it’ll heal, too.

    I’ll still be watching, trying to support Lincecum somehow, marvelling at Posey, hoping for the best from Pence. But damn this is a bust.

  53. unca_chuck says:

    It doesn’t matter when the test was done. You test positive, you get busted. Selig isn’t going to provide an escape route as he did for the guy on his team.

    King Sleazeball Victor Conte was on one of the Comcast shows and his take was that you have to be patently stupid to test positive for anything. He said there are so many loopholes and ways around getting busted that it really is a joke. He said, in his estimation, that about 50% of baseball players are currently juicing.

    The p[isser to me is that there was such a feel-good aspect to the Cabrera story. He’s the introverted seeming dickish shitty teammate who came here saying “I’m just here to play.” The fans take a liking to the guy and he blossoms into the Melkman, and the fans dig him and his game. He’s having fun and warms to the attention. All Star MVP? No prob. Lead the league in hits? Cool. The guy had made himself at home here. Now its right back to square one with the accusations and the innuendo around the Giants organization. Between the ugly spector of Barry Bonds and the other players back then (Benard Estalella Santangelo and Santiago), G Mota, Jose Guillen, and now Melky, the stink of juicing is on this team.

  54. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, I think it was right after the All Star break that Baggardly broke the story. He said yesterday that he got no denials, just a bunch of no-comments. That is when Melky appealed the suspension.

    The real pisser is Melky could have come clean (fuckker) 2 weeks ago, and saved some of the season for himself. Instead he waited, and now he’s out for the remainder AND 5 postseason games if the G’s make the playoffs.

    What pisses me off even more is, next year he’ll get a make-good deal for something like 1/$8 mill. He’ll come out of this relatively unscathed. As long as he hits for the next team. he completely throws a wrench in to THIS season for thr Giants. We’re fucked, he’s not.

  55. xoot says:

    Of course it matters when the test was done. He may have juiced in the off season and screwed up by not getting it masked (or cleaned out) before the random testing started. Or he may have been juicing all year long and someone called 911 on him–thus providing the good cause necessary to test him during the season. I’m not concerned about the rules; obviously, a true positivie test results in suspension. But Melky’s entire story does concern me. The details matter. My view of him will be different depending on the details. I doubt we’ll ever hear most of them. But the timing of the test may come out. If you simply want to be angry at him, go at it. My approach is different.

  56. unca_chuck says:

    When he tested positive matters? Really? Due to his actions, he most likely derailed the Giants season with his stupidity. He’ll move on next year with a new team and a new deal none the worse for wear. The Giants? Picking up the pieces of a misbegotten season. Amid more whispers about how the team has been a haven for steroids and juicers. Is Buster above reproach? Matty? Bummie? Well, no.

    The point being, the fans, the trainers, the union, the owners, and the league don’t give a flying fuck about cheating. If they did, they’d mplement real testing and real penalties. There are so many ways around the tests that, as Victor Conte said, you’d have to dumber than a box of rocks to fail a drug test. Enter Melky. Duh.

    These guys juice as close to the season (and during) as possible to gain the maximum effect. There are (expensive) masking drugs that these guys can get to juice during the season. Plus, if he was juicing in the offseason, he wouldn’t have tested positive during the year. The testoterone levels go down in a matter of hours. Which is why it’s usually so fucking easy to beat the tests.

    • xoot says:

      There’s no evidence they tested him “during the year.” They test randomly before the season starts. Testing during the season is extraordinary; it requires evidentiary proof of reasonable cause. If they test a hundred players randomly in ST, it could take a long time to process everything, including the “B sample,” and then put together the formal charge. Drug testing has become a very sophisticated scientific endeavor. There’s no reason to rush — the penalty will be the same. (The Olympic Committee just stripped away a medal some guy won in Athens in 2008, because they went back and retested the 2008 samples using improved technology.)

  57. xoot says:

    Why was Melky so dumb? Who’s advising him? This is the guy Baggarly describes as the hardest worker on the team, showing up earliest to work on hitting, staying quiet and focused in the clubhouse. Hell, Baggarly even threw in a description of Melky sitting at this locker regularly reading his god damned Bible while others in the clubhouse screw around. Melky’s from the DR. The DR is a lot different than Venezuela or PR. Melky signed with NYY when he was 17. Who is this guy? How did he fuck up so badly? This isn’t Barry Bonds deciding to spare no expense as he joins the steroid era in 2000 — using undetectable designer stuff. This isn’t goofball Manny R trying to cover up his use with sophisticated masking hormones. This is a prettty simple guy who got caught straight up, and who, apparently, decided not to appeal (a la Braun). I’d like to know exactly what he did, and when. Maybe then we’ll understand more about why. Maybe then I can sort out how I feel about him. I already hate mlb and the owners for all they’ve done. I understand them and their business decisions. The players are individuals. I see no reason to view everyone who tests “positive” the same just because mlb puts that generic label on them all.

  58. unca_chuck says:

    Melky DID appeal. The inital report from Andy Baggardly (which he had to retract) came out during the All Star break. He obviously tested positive in the offseason, then they tested him again. I don’t know why it takes so long to get results back from these tests, but the fact remains he cheated. Looking at Melky’s numbers, the inferrence is he started cycling up before last season in KC. His years before that were up and down, culminating in a disastrous season in Atl.

    He’s always been known as a loner type. To the point of dickishness. At least that’s what I heard before he got here. 4 teams in 4 years can get you that rep. His frst coment here was “I’m just here to play ball. Nothing else to say.”

    Say whatever you want about his circumstances, but the truth remains he’s been a very well-paid ballplayer for quite a few years now. Upwards of $10 million to date. To call him naive or simple or whatever is disingenuous at best. HE felt he needed to cheat to get an edge. Whether to get one big payday, or to try and become relevant, who knows? It doesn’t really matter. maybe Conte is right and 50% of the players are juicing.

    And yes, I totally share your sentiment that Selig is the mastermind of all this bullshit. He could have put a huge dent in cheating way back when 1992 when Vincent was ousted as commissioner. Vincent was keenly aware of reports that steroid use was becoming an issue to the integrity of the game and was going to do something about it, if you believe the internal memos. The problem was the lockout in ’94 and the ensuing drop in attendance. A steroid scandal on top of the cancellation of the World Series would have hurt the game. Kill it? I doubt it, but who knows? Bud took the sleazy path and turn a blind eye to everything.

    • xoot says:

      Last I heard, Melky did not appeal. After being confronted with the results in early July, he probably had time to decide whether to appeal before it became public (a la Braun). Instead, he confessed and took the suspension. There is absolutely no indication that he was tested again after the positive test, which probably was taken in the off season. But things are still murky.

  59. unca_chuck says:

    Funny thing is, Cabrera can still win the batting title. He has just enough ABs to qualilfy. If Andrew McCutcheon fall below Melky, He’s your batting champ.

    Wouldn’t that be a kick to the oblongs?

  60. shaman138 says:

    giantstainforever got zapped! Awesome! The best thing that’s happened to me (besides last night’s IPA) in the last couple of days.

  61. unca_chuck says:

    Turns out you’re right, Xoot. melky didn’t bother to appeal his suspension.

    So, rather than help his current team by appealing, he’d rather get his suspension over with and move on next year. He’ll keep the $4 mill paid to him by the Giants, and take his chances next year with someone else.

    Good luck, fuck-o. What a tool.

  62. unca_chuck says:

    Well, I don’t know who to believe. Andrew Baggarly reports that Melky did appeal.

    Here’s everything we know at this time:

    –Cabrera tested positive for having elevated testosterone levels and/or synthetic testosterone during or just prior to the All-Star break, industry sources confirmed. He and his agent were notified immediately, in addition to the Players’ Association. His B sample was automatically tested to confirm the positive result. At that point, Cabrera and his agent began the appeals process. The league does not announce positive tests until the appeals process is exhausted and/or the player accepts the penalties. Cabrera accepted his suspension Wednesday.

    • xoot says:

      Thanks. Baggs does not say that Melky finished the appeal process. He says Melky at least started the process and then, at some point, capitulated. Maybe he had no case and the appeal went real fast. Maybe someone convinced him he had no case and he gave it up. Baggarly does essentially say that someone dropped the dime on Melky and that mlb got enough evidence to justify a mid-season test. That’s the crucial fact, to me. He was juicing all along. The secondary fact is that someone turned him in.

    • xoot says:

      Baggs, however, in that same article does say this: “He said he had just been tested a week earlier and neither he nor his agent knew anything about it.” That sentence comes just after one linking back to Baggarly’s original July article on the rumors. But that July article contains no description of Melky acknowledging that he had been tested “a week earlier.” Why didn’t Baggarly note that admission from Melky and describe the reasonable cause standard that mlb has to establish before testing a player mid-season? Anybody who gets tested mid-season is more likely than not to get nailed.

  63. unca_chuck says:

    Frankly, since Baggs is the Giants beat writer, I’d believe him over the SI guy.

  64. xoot says:

    The current drug testing agreement is available on bizofbaseball. Looks like ST random testing for everything, including hgh, is pervasive. Also appears that every player will get tested randomly during the season. The “for cause” testing is a very exacting exception. Special notice of such testing is given to the player, so that the player can challenge the evidence and the basis for the special test.

    No telling which test nailed Melky, at this point. His stupidity is evident, however.

  65. unca_chuck says:

    That’s what is patently ridiculous. For the ‘for cause’ test the player is given a 2 day notice. You can cycle down to acceptable levels in 48 hours.

    • xoot says:

      Baggarly’s story yesterday said that mlb has been suspicious of Melky for some time. Wonder if they nabbed hiim with a “random” test, nonetheless? The random collection procedures are very secretive — like well-organized sneak attacks. The teams don’t know the testers are coming until they show up, and the testers don’t have a list of the players to be tested until they’re packed up and ready to go to the ballpark. (The official form for the player list only has room to list 7 names.) Also, I’m not so sure the notice required for special cause testing would give a player time to clean up.

      I found this on a website called “Measures to Beat a Drug Test”: “Since steroids are used and stored in muscles instead of fat, it is difficult to clean the system or mask detection. .. . . The only way to escape detection of anabolic steroids is to stop using them for four to six weeks prior to a drug test.”

  66. unca_chuck says:

    Not to belabor this, but here’s Victor Conte’ take:
    “What these guys are doing is using fast-acting testosterone, creams, gels, patches and micro-dose injections,” Conte says. “They put this stuff on after a game, let it circulate in their blood stream, and eight hours later, it’s out of their system when they take a drug test. It’s so simple.

    “There’s such a loophole, you really wonder if Major League Baseball has a genuine interest in stopping these guys.”

    As i noted, the 48 hour window gives plenty of time to cycle this stuff out.

    This article also says Melky didn’t appeal:

  67. xoot says:

    Conte’s been promoting himself with this pitch for quite a while now. He used it after Braun got busted, and predicted that Braun was toast. The difference between “fast acting testosterone” that allegedly can clear out fairly quickly and “anabolic testosterone” that can’t presents chemistry problems beyond my expertise. I don’t think I’d turn to Conte for reliable consultation, however.

  68. unca_chuck says:

    Conte’s not promoting anything. He may be enjoying his moment in the tainted sunlight, but what he says is exactly how it went down. Braun got off on a techncality, and 4 more guys have tested positive since then. 2 of them Giants. He’s said on many occasions that you have to be stupid or very unlucky to get caught. If you believe John Rocker’s testimony from 2000, the teams were getting advice from the league on how to avoid detection.

    Frankly, I’d believe Conte, the guy who created all this undetectable shit in the 1st place, rather than hearsay from unreliable sources.

    • xoot says:

      Hearsay is inherently unreliable. That’s why it’s excluded from evidence in trials. And hearsay is the basis of Conte’s claims. Classic hearsay is reporting what someone else said, and asserting it as the truth. (The cure is to have that person with first-hand knowledge come in to say that it’s the truth.) From the article you linked, here’s an example of horribly unreliable hearsay:

      “I’m not going to name names,” Conte said, “but I’ve talked to a lot of top players in Major League Baseball, and they tell me this is what they’re doing. There is rampant use of synthetic testosterone in Major League Baseball.”

      Unnamed “top players in baseball.” Bullshit. What “top player” is going to confide in frigging Conte? Conte’s description of the creams and gels and “microinjections” these allegedly top players allegedly said they’re allegedly using is also absurdly unreliable hearsay. He’s no longer in the PED peddling business. He has no first-hand knowledge.

      But I agree with your instinct: don’t rely on unreliable hearsay.

  69. xoot says:

    Conte’s obviously promoting himself. In that article I linked he tried to take credit for the Braun bust by claiming that mlb only could have caught Braun using a supertest he endorses. His schtick about “fast acting” testosterone vs. anabolic testosterone was exactly the same then as it is now. He’s promoting himself as the former cat burglar who can catch the thieves. He’s a liar and a crook, and it’s impossible to separate the bullshit from the actual knowledge he possesses.

  70. unca_chuck says:

    My ‘hearsy’ comment is directed at whatever website you referred to regarding how fast (or not) steroids are absorbed into the system. Conte’s blather about ‘high ranking players’ or whatever, is pure horeseshit. Although, I’m sure he still knows a lot of people on teams that talk to him. My point is that he fact that he devoted a pretty big chunk of his life to developing undetectable steroids lends me to think he might have some expertise in the area.

    It was like when Jose Canseco came out and said juicing was rampant. Most people laughed it off, but he was an insider to the clubhouse. He had a better look into the reality of the situation than anyone else. Was he a clown? A joke? An idiot? Sure, but he was right.

    I don’t know if Conte’s selling tests or professing to know how to fix the problem, but he is pointing out the loopholes.

    Dude should have stuck to playng the bass.

    • xoot says:

      Everyone agrees that standard anabolic testosterone supplements are detectable for a long time because of the way they work. I cited a website that referred to that scientific fact. The stuff Conte is talking about is different, if it even exists.

      Jose Canseco had first hand knowledge. In fact, he actually injected some of his teammates and helped others obtain roids. He was not offering hearsay. He was describing what he claimed to have experienced, personally. Conte is offering bullshit second-hand hearsay, as a pariah now, as an outcast. It’s doubly unreliable. His situation now does not resemble Canseco’s in-the-club-house involvement — not at all. Conte’s bullshitting to draw attention to himself. Apparently, he’s succeeding, in part. But his act is based on pure hearsay this time around. Canseco’s evidence was compelling; Conte’s evidence is bullshit. They’re both assholes, of course, but at least Canseco contributed some valuable information.

  71. shaman138 says:

    On another shitty note, Raiders have already lost three key players to injuries in one stupid pre-season game and it’s not even the 4th quarter yet. What a week.

    • Chico says:

      Yeah, you might be in for a long season shaman… And the injuries? That’s why I don;t believe in 4 pre – season games. 1, MAX.

      • shaman138 says:

        Shit, I’m used to it. But I think there’s just too much flux going on in that organization right now for them to be truly successful this year. I pretty much see a 6-10 season. Give it another year or two.

  72. unca_chuck says:

    If that’s true, Sham, then getting Palmer was a waste of time. He’ll be done before they get good?

  73. unca_chuck says:

    The AFC West is wide open. Peyton Manning notwithstanding. If the Raiders can play any kind of decent offense, they should be able to win the west.

  74. shaman138 says:

    You’re probably right, chuck…it’s just been a crummy week and I’m feeling very cynical right now.

  75. unca_chuck says:

    Well, looks like Brandon Jacobs and LaMichael James are out for the year. Fuck.

    • shaman138 says:

      That’s shitty. Pre season is a waste. Three key Raiders go down last night and two key Niners tonight. For garbage exhibition games

  76. unca_chuck says:

    Jacob’s knee has no structural damage to the patellar tendon or the ACL. He may miss a couple games, but he’ll be back this season. James said his injury was a ‘tweak’ to his ankle and he’ll return shortly. Grains of salt should be taken with this, but it appears they dodged a couple more bullets.

    • Chico says:

      I didn’t see the game but when I heard about the injuries, Shaman’s post came to mind. . Shorten the pre season.

  77. unca_chuck says:

    Xoot, yer the leagel eagle here. What do you make of the Melky deal to try and create a fake website to explain away his positive test?

    The FDA is apparently getting involved.

  78. Chico says:

    I haven’t logged onto sfgate since Friday night when my comment was ‘abusive’ for saying that San Jose sucks. I also didn’t hear the latest, about the fake website. Two things are for sure, Melky is a Moron and his ‘advisors’ and Morons. As the saying goes, it’s not the crime but the coverup. Now the feds are getting involved??? Please tell me he’s done as a Giant. We don’t need this shit right now! And Fuck you Melky Cabrera!

    • Chico says:

      Great! Now we have a troll who goes by the name of “ScottCousins” on the Splash. Chuck, you’re not missing anything over there. VK cleaned the place up last week, now they’re back.. Fuck them too.

  79. unca_chuck says:

    Shit I misspelled legal? Ouch. Yeah, I haven’t darkened the Splash’s doorway for a while now.

    • xoot says:

      Chuck, apparently before mlb filed formal charges, Melky had a chance, at some sort of conference, to present an explanation. That’s when Melky’s people offered up the phony website advertising as nonsteroidal a supplement actually packed with roids. Melky doesn’t speak a word of html, I’ll wager, so he didn’t engineer the fraudulent evidence, and you can be sure he didn’t plan the presentation to the mlb enforcers. Did he approve of the coverup? Maybe, but his reps were probably scrambling to save their own incomes, and telling him what to do. So if I were the mlb, I’d be going after Melky’s agents. (They were quick to blame an allegedly rogue “independent contractor” for the fiasco. Right.) You have to be authorized to rep mlb players. They’re scared. If the buck stops with Melky maybe mlb can punish him further. But if the agents were involved, mlb can ruin them. I suppose Melky could get prosecuted by the feds for using illegal drugs, but without a bust for possession, where’s that going to go? Not far, I think. Could the enablers get busted if they provided the stuff to Melky? Hmmmmm.

      • JDR says:

        Supposedly, the “cover-up” included a $10,000 website purchase for the phony company. I can’t imagine a low-level employee or “contractor” spending that kind of money on his own accord. Either Melky or the agents ordered this. If the dude was smart, he had his tape recorder on. That or he pulled a Greg Anderson and got himself taken care of in exchange for taking the fall.

        I could see both sides involved in this though. If this gets minimized or kept quiet, Melky cashes in with a long-term contract and his agents get a nice payday. They could very well have told Melky “we’ll take care of it” and set the whole thing up, or it could have been a case where this guy wanted to get himself a prime position on “team Melky” and worked with him and his other handlers to orchestrate the whole thing.

        • xoot says:

          Turns out it’s the mlbpa that certifies agents. Agents get decertified, of course, for providing banned substances to a player or for “engaging in other conduct” that could subject the player to discipline under the drug policy. Then there’s a general provision in the regs prohibiting unlawful or dishonest or fraudulent conduct . . . . Melky’s agents have a problem.

  80. xoot says:

    I think the dodgers might want to reconsider their approach to running on Posey.

  81. JDR says:

    Just got back from a golf trip in Reno. If anyone wants to make a fortune in used balls, go fish out all the ones I left on the Red Hawk Lake Course.

    Good call to pull Romo after the homer. His slider was not moving out there tonight. Maybe Bochy had planned to pull him for the LOOG anyway, but either way… WINNING!

    • xoot says:

      Oh, yeah, Romo wasn’t gonna pitch to a LH.

      • Chico says:

        Just be the ball! I just google earthed that course – That’s a lot of water on those holes – It looks like at least 7 or 8 of the holes have water either on the right or left side, from the Tee all the way to the greens.. I rarely play and I suck, and that course looks tough if you can’t hit the ball straight, which I sure as hell can’t.

  82. JDR says:

    Not a great start for Joe Bloaton. Hopefully Big Time TimmyJim shows up tonight.

    • Chico says:

      Through 2, so far so good!

      • JDR says:

        Timmy’s had Tomko’s Disease this year. He’ll be “so far, so good” for two or three innings and then, KABOOM! That said, he does look to be settling in.

        Then again, it’s not hard to look comfortable against the bottom of LA’s order these days.

        Nice pick and throw by Timmy.

  83. unca_chuck says:

    Not spectacular, but Timmy kept Kemp inthe yard when it mattered. He seems to be getting a little of his swagger back. And I think it was a great time to pull him.

  84. unca_chuck says:

    Javy has to keep jhis recent resurgence going.

  85. JDR says:

    Casilla and Lopez came up big. Timmy might just show up for the stretch and Cainer goes tomorrow for the sweep. If playoff Cain shows up tomorrow, that would be huge.

  86. xoot says:

    Those new super-sneaky random-testing procedures mlbpa approved in the 2012 drug testing agreement seem to be working: Bartolo Colon, the latest fool in the spot light.

  87. unca_chuck says:

    Chico,. that video is classic!


    But I wish nothing but the best for Hunter Pence and Shane Victorino. . . . !

  88. unca_chuck says:

    Arias is going to get tested after this game tonight . . .

  89. unca_chuck says:

    Sweeeeperooonie . . .!!!

  90. Chico says:

    I went back and watched Arias’s ab’s from last night. Every ball he hit was a mistake down the middle.. The HR was a little bit towards the outside of the plate, but still a good pitch to hit. That ball in the l/c gap was murdered. On that play, it was clear that Kemp is still only going about 70%. Now we have a couple of hammy issues to deal with. I hate injuries.
    Off topic: Cal got hosed on the scheduling this year.
    SEPT. 1 vs. Nevada
    SEPT. 8 vs. Southern Utah
    SEPT. 15 at Ohio State
    SEPT. 22 at USC*
    SEPT. 29 vs. Arizona State*
    OCT. 6 vs. UCLA*^
    OCT. 13 at Washington State*
    OCT. 20 vs. Stanford*
    OCT. 27 at Utah*
    NOV. 2 vs. Washington*#
    NOV. 10 vs. Oregon*
    NOV. 17 at Oregon State*

    Where is my bye week? Damn.

    • shaman138 says:

      At the Fuckeyes? Give me a break! The schedule-makers must be Stanfoo fans.

      • Chico says:

        According to Pac 12 commish Larry Scott, the no bye weeks will alternate year after year. We get fucked first though.

      • JDR says:

        Don’t the schools themselves schedule the non-conference games? Hard to fault them for lining up a cupcake game with Southern Utah ahead of trips to Columbus and LA.

        • Chico says:

          They do. . Remember last year when we played Presbyterian (the blue hoses)? Something fell through at the end of that scheduling period due to the new conference alignment and they were the only team with an opening…

          This year, I’d be happy with 7 – 5. We get the Buckeys at home next year — the new powerhouse that we’ll face in the coming years will be Texas, at least that’s what I’m hearing.

  91. unca_chuck says:

    Seriously, no one’s posting about the Dodger trade? If the Dodgers go through with this, they are screwing themselves for YEARS.I’d love to see this go through.

    Magic has lost his mind. But that certainly looks like a basketball trade. Boston is dumping about $600 mill in salary and getting rid of the crap=ass players that got them to 8 games under .500.

  92. unca_chuck says:

    A-Gon is certainly better than Loney, but Crawford is oput with TJ surgery and Beckett is 5-11, anmd injury prone. Magic has lost his mind

    • JDR says:

      Yeah, the Dodgers are basically taking what fucked the Red Sox and hoping it somehow works with Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw. It could work, but if not they have basically assumed Boston’s albatross for the rest of the decade.

  93. mailorderwife says:

    Hello Lads! I went to the Dodger game last night to do the ol’ ash scattering. In the midst of the Mexican wave and beach ball tossing, the all-you-can-eat extravaganza of gluttony and appearance by some LA Kings player in our bleacher section, I think there was a baseball game. They aren’t the most enthusiastic fans in baseball, and I can see why the east coast has often made fun of west coast fan sports. But you know, THIS AIN’T SAN FRANCISCO. Or even San Diego. Still, I had a great time. Best of all, what a bust of a trade this will be. It’s essentially A-Gon for all the youth. Oh, I also cheered Uribe. The other Dodger fans thought I was making fun of them, but you know…Uribe will always be Giants family.

  94. unca_chuck says:

    The other side of this is the TV deal apparently in the works. Something in the $4 billion, 25 year range. So, they can become the Yankers West. Fuck ’em. The fans will still not care until they do something. Then they won’t care again.

  95. Chico says:

    It must mean I’m getting old if the crowds at Lake Berryessa annoy the hell out of me. I’m all for a party, but all night? 2 nights in a row? We probably got 8 hours sleep in two days due to our noisy ass neighbors (at least 50 of them)… To think, 10 years ago that was me being the annoying dumbass – my sincerest apologies to the people I kept up in the past including their children.

    All of this huge $$$ being thrown around in MLB is becoming a bubble, IMO.

    Also, they better get their drug testing policies fixed because it’s hurting the integrity of the game and it’s turning my attention towards Joe-D teams, tournament teams and my local high school team. They should test daily,every week, whatever — but it pisses me off that I love a game so much yet I don’t know who the clean guys or the dirty guys are. It’s become a fucking joke. End of rant.

    • Chico says:

      Oh, and just by scanning through the Splash blog, WBB is back in the name of “fettmucke”

      • filthychangeup says:

        I would seem that Nipper is Jim.

        • xoot says:

          Years ago the guy behind the soph travesty started posting in exactly the same diction, syntax and rhythm as nipper. They were saying different things, but in exactly the same way. A few of us jumped on that fact, and soph’s posts suddenly developed peculiarities–including the typos he still throws in–while nipper’s remained flat and goofy. Nipper protested the accusations. Over the years, no other likely candidate for the soph/niner al/jim wig has appeared. WBB was an outside possibility. But while WBB was gone from sfgate earlier this year (back in the spring he explained on his own blog why), soph/al/jim continued to post. Of course, so did nipper.

          • Chico says:

            Are you freaking serious? I’m shocked, seriously.

            I suppose Bass_Nova is borganprobe — same typing style too, and a fish avatar to boot. Damn, I had no clue…

  96. unca_chuck says:

    Interesting. He posts on my blog from time to time, and I vaguely remember the Soph/Nip comparisons from years back. Is Soph still posting as Soph, or is he NinerGal now?

    Then again, years ago, I thought Twinfan was Nip because he agreed with everything Twin posted.

    • Chico says:

      soph posts as ninergal1.. Funny thing is, soph ALWAYS agrees with Twinfan too.

      JDR or anyone who reads the Niner insider – foxyroxy6969 does the same concern troll schtick that soph does… Now they’re saying Nipper is soph, and by his comments lately, it makes sense. I don’t know 100% for sure that it’s the case, but man, if so I was duped.

      I’m getting sick of this multiple personality troll bullshit.

      • xoot says:

        Chico, as I said above, after nipper got accused a few years back, the soph posts got more distinctive, and much different than nipper’s. I always thought that abrupt left turn was suspicious. We identified a bunch of posts from both with many similarities. Suddenly, the similarities vanished, and soph’s posts got riddled with idiosyncratic stuff. As a result, for the past couple of years, soph, and his successor, ninergal, have very carefully avoided similarities to nipper’s schtick (and prose). So only us old regulars know . . . . Whoever soph/al is, he’s ridiculous, but, essentially, harmless.

  97. unca_chuck says:

    Wait. Who’s Jim?

    • xoot says:

      Chuck, some of the hotshot Giants fans who became splash regulars in the past couple of years tracked a troll who started out as BarryForever on the splash and found him on some dodger blogs. (One hotshot actually found him bragging about his trolling on the splash; big mistake, because that happened to be a blog where he posted with a name that lead the hotshots to figure out who he is. They are absolutely right about him.) The same hotshots followed leads sophistryne left and found a somewhat odd guy named Jim at the end of the weblink road. I don’t know if they are absolutely right about that one. But, as I say, they are proven hotshots (and great Giants fans) so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. I believe all of those guys regularly post here.

  98. unca_chuck says:

    Chico, that has a lot to do with why I don’t bother with any of the Chron blogs anymore. When they were ‘lawless’ they were kept in check much better by the bloggers themselves.

  99. Chico says:

    That was the most bizarre speech I have ever seen. I had to pick up some lumber this morning and nobody was talking about Romney – all the talk was about Eastwood and 9 out of 10 were like WTF? Someone is getting grilled or losing their job, that’s for sure.

  100. sandy32koufax says:

    julie cesarean is a complete lunatic!

  101. Chico says:

    So I log into the other place only to see that posterchild’s account is being reviewed by the editors (blocked). What the fuck?

  102. xoot says:

    Yeah, I just noticed that. I have no idea what I might have done to warrant the banning.

  103. Chico says:

    What a Sunday eh? Yes!

  104. unca_chuck says:

    A beautiful day for Sn Francisco sports teams. The Giants drop a series loss on the Dodgers, and the 49ers win an epic battle in Green Bay.

    Hats off to both teams!

  105. unca_chuck says:

    I think this calls for a new thread.

  106. shaman138 says:

    Shit .Damnit Fuck.

  107. shaman138 says:

    I think there’s a certain back-up long snapper who’s about to be out of a job.

  108. shaman138 says:

    Fuck.Fuck. FUCK! Aaaargh!

    • sandy32koufax says:

      I went to the game last night. Just bad all around. Seriously and I am NOT juat talking about football…

      • xoot says:

        Is the new generation of Raider Nation offensive? I sort of liked the old-school extremists, the people who would get to the parking lot early in their black and silver trucks and cars and costumes and start cooking and drinking and smoking. Maybe the best, certainly the simplest, costume I ever saw: A tall, statuesque woman wearing high heels and an impossibly light, snug, full-length chain-mail gown, with nothing underneath.

    • shaman138 says:

      This season is already turning into a train-wreck and it’s not even week 2 yet. They need to go into Miami and make a BIG statement against the stupid Dolphins…if they let Miami push them around again it’s probably going to be a LOOOOOOONG season. I have faith in Reggie and D. Allen but Allen’s a rookie HC and they just don’t have enough players to do much of anything right now. Broncos look like the team to beat this year but Manning is old and could get injured at any time…Raiders just might be able to right the ship and take the division if the cards fall their way. Unlikely, but still possible.

      Meanwhile, Go Giants!

  109. unca_chuck says:

    What I never understand is, with different players and coaches year to year, they continue to get stupid penalties called on themselves. 2 offsides penalties on 3rd and short on the same drive? Late hits, unsportsmanlikes? They’ve had players’ coaches, disciplinarians, hard-asses, and softies, yet the penalties continue.

    I figured Palmer would be doing better, but I get that his WR corps is wiped out. McFadden had NO running room. Curious. The defense looke great given the field position they were constantly fighting.

    • shaman138 says:

      Well, hopefully they’ll settle down and play well in Miami…but, good or bad, the ‘Fins have had their way with the Raiders lately. I just wonder how this crap never ends in Oakland but it took so little to turn the same group of SF players from pretenders to contenders in one season.

  110. mailorderwife says:

    I hope everyone is well! I quit my job due to harassment, and I took some time off to travel a bit.

    I went to the Marlins/Dodger game a few weeks ago to scatter my uncle’s ashes on the field. We sat in the all-you-can-eat section, which is tons of fun if you just want to spend your life eating. They do a great job funneling massive amounts of foods in seconds, except if you want to do something off schedule like buy beer. That’s when you’re stuck in a 5-year-long line.

    That game was significant because it was the day they announced the humongoid Agon trade. Listening to the Dodger fans around me, no one seemed too happy about the trade. Sure enough, wow..

    I hope the Giants do well against the DBags. Our boys are doing well on the road. Is anyone thinking of going to the NY trip next year to see our boys? Might be fun. There is a chance we may be moving to London, so that would be the closest I can get to seeing the Giants.

    • Chico says:

      Sorry to hear about the harassment thing. That sucks. My wife is still kicking around the idea about moving, and her three choices are out of country, one is London 🙂 Good news is she’s not in a huge hurry (I don’t want to leave the bay area), but can’t hold her back from her dreams… I live for that woman…

      I’m flying out to Vegas tomorrow morning for a wedding – fly back Sunday night. I learned my lesson — I’m going solo (wife has to stay home due to work) so I decided to plan the thing myself. . . 2 months ago a flight from SFO to Vegas was 175.00 RT. What does my dumbass do? Wait till a week out – 400.00 RT. :Facepalm:

    • xoot says:

      Sounds like a rollercoaster of a summer, MOW. I’m sure you’ll weigh your options. Best to you.

  111. xoot says:

    This weekend sure is jammed with big sports events, starting with Cal tomorrow morning and running through 49ers Sunday night football. Giants games, plus a bunch of other meaningful games, round out the baseball. There’s even some national coverage of the surf contest at H. Beach on Sunday.

    • Chico says:

      I assumed that the Niner game was on at 1pm, being a home game and all. . . I had it all planned out. I was going to relax at the airport on Sunday, watch the game and fly home. . Flight leaves at 6pm, game starts at 5:20. . “Honey, could you set the DVR for me please” Damn.

      • shaman138 says:

        Damn…that sucks. But the Sunday morning games are even worse, IMO–almost always hungover and I usually sleep through the first half, even for Raider games. Then again, the Raiders will probably be asleep for the first half, too.

  112. shaman138 says:

    Welcome back, MOW–sorry to hear about that. Can’t you file a lawsuit against those bastards? Fuck that–people in excecutive/magerial positions should NOT be able to just treat their workers like shit and do whatever they want. I’m going through a lot of bullshit at my job, too–super over-worked, unfair workload distribution, double-standards, wage stagnation, you name it. No matter what those fucking retard Romney-licking wingnuts say about unions–they’re one of the best things to have EVER happened in this country.

    • Chico says:

      Crushing unions is the first step towards fascism.

      Did you read that article today about budget cuts? The knuckledragging nutters want to cut food stamps, medical, and a bunch of other programs to um, pay for spending cuts to the military that were agreed upon in that stupid (unconstitutional) super committee.

      Then they want to INCREASE military spending. Hey neocons, I thought we were broke? Idiots.
      Enjoy the weekend guys and gals.

  113. unca_chuck says:

    Sorry ’bout yer Rauiders, Sham. Why can’t they run the ball? McFaddon is healthy. Palmer looks OK. The stout D went away in the 2nd half. . .

    • shaman138 says:

      They just suck. Period. It’s safe to say they’re the worst team in football right now. I guess that’s what happens when they have to start over from scratch with Al’s over-paid lackluster players. Why the fuck did they bring back Greg Knapptime? He’s awful–and the defense just fell apart again against a half-assed mediocre RB. They might win 2-3 games but their schedule is, once again, ridiculously hard. 0-5 is highly likely. For now, I’m just going to enjoy the rest of baseball season and ignore that fucking circus.

  114. unca_chuck says:

    That you, bubble and squeak?

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