Sabean’s Choice…

It’s looking more and more like the Giants will have to make a tough choice in the coming months. Both Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain are approaching free agency and the consensus amongst outside observers is that one of them will have to go.

The smart money is on Matt Cain leaving. Lincecum has two Cy Young awards and is a fan favorite. While Cain is the longest serving Giant, he has also been something of an invisible man overshadowed by the bigger personalities in the staff.

The choice might appear to be Cain vs Lincecum, but it could in fact be much larger than that. If Lincecum’s extension is a given (as it should be) then the choice might be between Cain and looming extensions for Brian Wilson, Sergio Romo and the rest of the pen.

So maybe we should ask, is Caincecum better than Timmy and a loaded pen? Might they be better with letting Matt go and inserting Bumgarner into the 2 spot with a loaded pen?

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26 Responses to Sabean’s Choice…

  1. slats says:

    So Sabean is going to have to make a decision on something like probably 8 years for one or the other. If he believes that both will be top pitchers during that term, suck it up and sign both, that is if either/both are willing to sign long term with SF. The bad contracts bogging the Giants down are going to run their course and in the meantime, that inept offense may already be improved significantly with some key injury returns and if Cabrera and Pagan produce. If he believes that one or the other are too risky for the long term, trade that guy now. Otherwise, that caliber of pitcher isn’t getting cheaper over the next 5 years and is never getting easier to find. These starting pitchers as opposed to the pen? I’m hoping not if it’s my team. A pen can be built or bought and I’m buying into the widening opinion that the closer role is overrated.

    On another story, the moderator seems to be missing from the Splash.

    • Chico says:

      Uglyfinder’s page
      This community member’s page is currently being reviewed by the editors.

      So I guess its take people out one by one eh? I’m done with that place..

  2. Nipper says:

    The Giants will pay whatever it takes. Paying has never a Giants issue. Pitchers will always be getting top dollar in SF. Without their pitching, no Giants team can contend.

  3. unca_chuck says:

    I think THEY believe Cain is the guy to keep. His signing is a difinite priority. Even over Timmy.

    Even with the success Timmy has had, he is still thought of as not built for the long haul. Matt is.

    They WILL sign Matt some time fairly soon. He’ll have a deal in place by the time the season starts if not spring training.

  4. unca_chuck says:

    . . . definite . . .

  5. xoot says:

    If Neukom were in charge — both would be signed. Still, I don’t think they’ll let Lincecum go. His fire and guile are astonishing. Game 5 of the WS, when he was supposed to be exhausted, is my Exhibit A. I love that game. He’ll pitch for a long time. Cain, for his part, is a lot craftier than I hear him get credit for being. He took mph off the fastball back in 2008, gained control, and was poised to dominate as he did during the PS in 2010. He is very strong, and, no BS notwithstanding, very smart. Both are incalculably valuable. They’ll keep both, for as long as possible.

  6. unca_chuck says:

    Timmy wants an 8 year deal, Xoot. The Giants are not going to do that.

  7. unca_chuck says:

    The Giants control him for 2 more years. I don’t see him signing anything over that. At least not here.

  8. unca_chuck says:

    To wit:

    Quote (from Yahoo sports):

    The San Francisco Giants and Tim Lincecum are trying to work out a long-term deal for the two-time Cy Young Award winner, but there is a sizable gap in what the team is offering and what Lincecum is willing to accept, Jon Heyman of CBC Sports.com reported Wednesday.

    The sides appear to have significant differences on the number of years of the contract, and they are tens of millions of dollars apart on the salary,

    The Giants had made signing Lincecum and Matt Cain to long-term contracts a high priority this offseason. Lincecum’s current contract expires after the 2013 season, and Cain’s ends after the 2012 season.

    CBS Sports.com reported that the Giants apparently raised an earlier offer to Lincecum that was for four years and about $80 million, but Lincecum is looking for an eight-year deal.

    The two sides are also considering a one-year or two-year deal if they can’t agree on a long-term deal.

    A long-term deal for Lincecum probably would cost the Giants more than $100 million, according to CBSSports.com, but they want to avoid arbitration as well. Lincecum made $14 million in 2011, and he could make around $20 million in an arbitration settlement for 2012 and perhaps $25 million or more in 2013.

    End quote

  9. unca_chuck says:

    Cain is the first priority. Timmy can wait. I don;t think he wants to stick around anyway. He’ll likely take a deal with Seattle and veg out in his hometown.

  10. xoot says:

    Again, if Neukom were in charge, bullshit. The deals would be done. Now? The assholes in the FO still won’t screw this up. The Giants will make some sort of deal with Lincecum — if not now, next year.

    • Chico says:

      Morning fellas, I sure hope we can keep both! In a perfect world, right 😉 Does anyone have any info as to when the ballpark will be paid off?

  11. unca_chuck says:

    8 years? No way in HELL the Giants FO does that deal. Neukom or no . . .

    They are still trying to get out from the Zito deal.

  12. unca_chuck says:

    Timmy turned down a 4 year $80 mill deal. IMO the Giants are not going to go any higher on the years. Therefore he’ll either sign 2 one-year deals, or sign for the 2 years left under contract.

    And I think that’s the right call. 8 years for a pitcher is ludicrous. As much as he means to the team, and what he’s accomplished, 8 years is WAY too long.

    • Chico says:

      Agreed… I have to get over my bias and be be true to myself, I laughed at the Angels for signing Pujols to a 10 year deal: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/albert-pujols-contract-with-angels-completed-deal-guarantees-240-million-over-10-years/2012/01/05/gIQAiNtycP_story.html

      Eight years isn’t any less risky IMO. I really wish we could, but..

      • Chico says:

        Oops, but it’s too risky.. I hit enter prematurely.

        • unca_chuck says:

          Especially for a pitcher. 10 years for a 30+ guy, pitcher or no, is equally as crazy.

          Either way, it ain’t my money, but deals like that can sink a team for years.

          • slats says:

            Does anybody believe that Pujols turns 32 this week? Pujols is a front end signing because the Angels are looking at the first 5 years to get past Texas and trying to get more of the L.A market while the Dodgers are in disaray, the A’s/Astros will both likely suck for the forseeable future and the Mariners haven’t put yet come close to putting together their once in a decade decent team. The problem with the AL that unless it’s an off year, the division winners and whichever of the BoSox and Yankees don’t win the east are the wildcard. The Angel’s ace in the hole is that although they have a lot of good offense and for seem to be getting better pitching, the Rangers hopelessly believe that Wash is a good manager. The Angels are spending todays dollars on tomorrows assets Then again, the Angels have Vernon Wells and spent a lot of money on CJ. But hey, I hope it was as stupid as it seems and they spend themselves into a deep hole.

  13. unca_chuck says:

    Oh Hue, we hardly knew ye . . .

    Who’s the next coach, Sham . . . ?

  14. mailorderwife says:

    I hope we can keep both Cainer and TImmy. I want them to retire as Giants, spending their careers here. I know these things are possible, but what the hell, right?

    Down here in Smell-A, the talk is of all the bidders on the Dodgers. My friend’s brother-in-law just put in a bid. I hope he wins. I would sign up to be experimental GM and sign Eugenio Velez to a 20 year, $500 million deal.

  15. unca_chuck says:

    Can a man be a muffin?

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