Niner fans+Raider Fans+cheap tickets+several hours of drinking=violence? You don’t say…

Well, the big shitstorm that everyone who’s ever been to a Niners/Raiders preseason game would tell you was going to happen, happened.

When you get a bunch of drunken assholes in a big stadium together, they tend to act like drunken assholes. People fought in the stadium all night long (if you watch the broadcast over you can catch a couple of occasions where the guys on the sideline even stop and look over into crowd to watch the fight.) And then of course things got even worse in the parking lot, with at least one person sustaining a serious gunshot wound.

The knee-jerk reaction here is to go into a diatribe about people taking sports to seriously and the tribalism of modern fanbases and blah blah blah. But once you look a bit deeper into the individual events, you see that absolutely none of this had anything to do with a Niners/Raiders rivalry. The shooting was between two guys in Raiders gear. The big fight on you tube was mostly between Niner fans. This was a case of assholes being assholes.

Jed York wants to cancel next year’s Niners/Raiders game. But that’s mostly because Jed York, like so many other children of royalty over the years, appears to be inbred to the point of mild retardation.

I’ve got a better idea: take the show on the road. Pre-season games are basically exhibitions anyways, so treat them like other sports treat their exhibitions. Rather than amateur night at the stick, have Niners/Raiders in Reno or Sacramento. Have the Niners and the Broncos play on the Blue turf in Boise, or some other area that isn’t used to NFL football where the fans might show up for reasons other than a chance to spot rival gang members.

Also, Taylor Mays has been traded. I’m guessing Harbaugh was less than impressed with the kid at USC and it didn’t take him long to see in camp that not much had changed. Mays was the classic draft mistake: a kid with huge measurables and awful technique. It seems that Harbaugh has decided that he doesn’t have time to deal with a safety that can’t do 75% of what an NFL safety is supposed to do.

Fortunately they sent him to the Bengals, who just might be dumb enough to give them back something of value.

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230 Responses to Niner fans+Raider Fans+cheap tickets+several hours of drinking=violence? You don’t say…

  1. Unca Chuck says:

    The best plan is to ditch the thing entirely. If they have the game in Sacramento, the same drunken clowns will make the trek to Sacramento and wreak havoc there. Idaho? Zimbabwe? Same deal.

    The deal with Mays was a power struggle at the time of the draft. Singletary wanted Mays. Baalke didn’t. Since the Niners refuse to hire a GM that has the power to make personnel decisions, the HC won, and the rest is history. Remember, Singletary had to be talked into drafting Patrick Willis by highball Scott McLoughin . . .

  2. mailorderwife says:

    There was this one year when my husband’s parents, hardcore football fans from NC who moved out to CA, decided to buy all of us season tickets to the Chargers. On schedule was the Raider/Charger game, and the only reason why we were able to park in the stadium is because I told the Raider blockade that I was a native San Franciscan. Go figure.

    Anyway, the game had so many damn fights in the stands that I don’t even remember the actual game. At one point, the game stopped so the players could stare into the stands. There were at least people arrested in my section, including some dude that must have been about 400 lbs. A battleship in shorts and tennies it not a pleasant sight.

    So I was prepared to blame it all on the Raider fans until I saw the video footage. I guess the wine and cheese 49er crowd fell off the bandwagon? York is a reactionary, as if all of football. If you want to clean up the stands, stop bringing in so many bloody criminals to play in the game. Someone with psychotic tendencies like Michael Vick should never have been allowed to re-enter the game. Hmph.

  3. shaman138 says:

    It’s easy to point fingers and blame it all on Raider fans “thugs” or Niner fan “drunks” or Candlestick security or booze or tailgate parties or the city of SF or the city of Oakland but what it boils down to is a group of shitheads who may or may not be gangstas whose only goal was to start trouble. These fuckheads are everywhere, not just at sporting events, and for whatever weird reason they need to prove something to somebody by starting shit wherever they go. That’s all some people do.

  4. Unca Chuck says:

    The thing is, this rarely happens at regluar season games because the vast majority of the fans don’t pull shit like this. Preseason games, since they charge full price, and season ticket holders don’t even bother to go (even more so for a Raider game), you get a whole different crown attending. If York really does stop tailgating, there’s going to be a HUGE backlash . . .

    • JDR says:

      That’s why I suggested playing more games at neutral venues that don’t have an NFL team. If they played a game in Reno or Sacramento or somewhere like that you won’t have people who are just there to get dunk and start shit. Fans will actually show up to watch the game.

      • Unca Chuck says:

        Because we all know there aren’t any drunken yahoos in Reno or Sactown.

        The point being, people will cause shit no matter where the game is. The best way to stop it is to not play the game.

    • the_troll says:

      How stupid are you if you’re fighting during a preseason game? Do sweating third-stringers really get the people excited?

      I like how they say they’re now going to open the parking lot gates ONLY 4 hours before game time.

      Like I said in JDR’s previous post, you have to at least give York credit for trying to prevent future problems. After the Stow incident, McCourt basically passed the blame and only took action when MLB made it an issue.

  5. A1985Mattalac says:

    The violence of Saturday’s game struck close to home as I was recently assaulted an asshole with something to “prove”. I was and still am ultimately fine but it was distressing at the time because the guy was looking for the fight. He also had three of his buddies backing him up and I remember feeling like they WANTED me to fight back so that they could gang up on me. My mind of course went to Brian Stowe. The lesson I took from this was that looking the other way is often the best response. Defending your pride and your well-being are two very different things and are not mutually exclusive. I told myself from now on I wouldn’t flip off bad drivers or respond to those who flip me off. I’m going to turn the other cheek. It’s a shame that a few drunken/sober assholes can ruin things for everyone else.

    • the_troll says:

      I had something like that happen to me before too, Matt. I was walking home from work late one night and a car full of guys pulled up next to me and started talking trash. I knew right away what they were trying to do and as much as I wanted to do something I wasn’t going to give them what they wanted. Fortunately I was almost home at that point and I was able to get inside my place without them seeing where I went.

      Funny thing is I knew where at least one of them lived. I think they ended up getting harrased by the police that night after I called them. They got a little payback from me too.

  6. mailorderwife says:

    I get that this is a pre-season thing, where the tickets are far cheaper than regular season. Living next door to the ‘Nardl, however, makes me aware of the nightmare that is sports team jerseys and gangsters. It is illegal to wear either Cowboys or Raider gear in Oxnard, which makes me sort of happy that LA doesn’t have a football team.

    Some people do take things too far, pre-season or not. There is a real problem with gangs and sports team identity, which is pure stupidity. The only reason why it has been curbed in LA to some extent is because of the renewed focus on security. Remember those days when you can just run from the MUNI into the ‘Stick? Yeah..

  7. Unca Chuck says:

    MOW, the tickets AREN’T cheaper. Season ticket holders pay full value, and dump their tix on stub hub, or other ticket trading sites for pennies on the dollar, and therefore you get a different crowd than would normally be there. If the owners would cut preseason prices in half, say, maybe the season ticket holders would go. I don’t know.

    What I DO know is, in the over 120+ games I’ve gone to, from 1967 to now, I’ve never been involved in anything resembling the shit that went down last Saturday. I’ve seen playoff losses, a bunch of Dallas games, Ram games, and even a Raider game back in 1988. Never a problem.

    • mailorderwife says:

      They will go for lower price on Stubhub, since most people won’t want to pay full price for pre-season. I used to try to sell Giants tickets on Stubhub, and found it was easier to give them away to people since no one ever wanted to pay full price.

      On the latter, I’ve been to the Raiders v. Chargers. Never ever again. Since I went to all games through that one Charger season, no game compared to the sheer stupidity and violence of the one against the Raiders. In fact, I boo’d the Chargers through the entire season, and no one did a thing to me (except my in-laws, who refused to renew season tickets because of me).

  8. Chico says:

    I just walk away after this happened and when I had kids. It’s just not worth it anymore.

  9. My pop used to take us to football games wherever we lived, Chicago, St Louis, L.A., San Diego, Oaktown and S.F. were all close enough and had teams…my first game was in 1963.

    Violence in the stands is nothing new…but…like kids don’t fight with fists and sticks anymore, *fans* don’t ‘fight fair’ or *like men.*

    In the 70’s I was introduced to Raiders games…we were Oakland fans and wore black leather to the games, so we fit right in…but it was at the Coliseum that I learned it could be a dangerous thing to sport a visiting jersey or cap…IDK that anyone got killed and don’t recall any shootings but it opened my eyes to how territorial *fans* could be.

    In the 80’s, I went to games all over the country and the two worst places I saw games were The Vet and the L.A. Coliseum…people were not just drunk and high out of their minds, they were a lunatic mob bent on fucking with everyone in attendance-not just the visiting teams’ fans…scary shit in Philly but as a Ram/Raiders fan, I was as cool as it gets in LA…

    I won’t be taking a woman into a pro football game again unless we are sitting in a skybox or preferred seating…it’s too damn dangerous and SO not worth what may happen…I was at the Oakland Coliseum for two baseball games with the old man in ’88, both times wearing my Dodgers cap, one for a Kansas City game and for game 5 of the WS-both times Oakland fans either started or tried to start fights with me…I was at a Dodgers-Jints game in ’89 and a guy wearing a REDS cap tried to take a swing at me and I hadn’t said shit yet!

    Point to this missive is that it isn’t football, like someone above has already stated, it’s people that are too frustrated, pissed, drunk, high, tiny-dicked or whatever…civility doesn’t even exist for the president of The United States by fellow politicians any longer…

    Impulse control and alla that shit boil down to one thing that too many people don’t care about anymore-paying heed to that feeling in your gut that says ”Don’t do ‘this,’ it’s wrong”…whatever ‘this’ is…

    Yours truly,

    Professor Koufax

    • mailorderwife says:

      Perhaps, but I’m not going to deny that there is an element to sport and competition that brings out the worst in people. Three people injured, albeit critically, at a 49er game would have been considered a minor incident approximately 15 years ago when England was having soccer riot. I got caught up in no less than 2 of those, and it made that Raider game look like a tea party.

      But there is something to certain competitive sports, don’t you think? This isn’t going to happen at Wimbledon or curling, although the latter might the sport more interesting. It will make those with a pre-disposition for violence into a rabid dog if there is enough liquor. And with both the Raider and Dodger incidents, the rivalry was almost a stupid, built-in reason to exercise that aggression.

      Yes, violence like this happens elsewhere. It happens when teams also win championships. I feel that York and the NFL are being unnecessarily reactionary, but I will also not deny that certain sporting events — no matter how inconsequential the game — will turn ugly when the biggest assholes are in the room.

  10. Wow…another injury?

    No one calls for that?

  11. Chico says:

    Down 3 runs.. Score some fucking runs!

  12. Del Mar Dennis says:

    Does anyone here have Mat Latos on their Christmas list? Thought not.
    He’s first on my list to get the Grinch treatment.

  13. Chico says:

    Stewart has a GUN!

  14. Sirius says:

    Aug 24th anyone?

  15. mailorderwife says:

    My husband told me that he’d play with the color on the television as soon as Aaron Rowand made an out :< He doesn't even like baseball to know that much.

  16. Hahaha…’Power shot!’

  17. Del Mar Dennis says:

    Hey, we got a hit! Thanks to the CF for taking a circuitous route, but we’ll take it.

  18. Kicked that kid out…suckuh

  19. Chico says:

    The rookie just drilled dude in the ribs.. Not intentional.

  20. Chico says:

    Hey we got something brewing here.

  21. WHEW!!! She finally quit texting me…so something must be up!

  22. mailorderwife says:

    Wow…I’ve missed this!

  23. JDR says:

    Been working late. I love how I can tell how the game is going by the “ping” of new comments in my inbox. Every time it goes crazy I know something happened.

  24. Chico says:

    Fuck me!

  25. mailorderwife says:

    This game is exhausting me. GET SOME RUNS, BOYS!

  26. Del Mar Dennis says:

    Shit. Belt needs to swing the goddamn bat on the potential last pitch of the game.
    This team needs an enema.

  27. Tough loss…super tough

    Hang tough Gfans

    Today was jinxed!

  28. mailorderwife says:

    We have tomorrow! Have a good evening, gents! Tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channel!

  29. Del Mar Dennis says:

    What would you guys say to Heath Bell? The Giants were just awarded the claim. Remains to be seen if a deal can be worked out.

  30. A1985Mattalac says:

    As K&K mentioned, Bell has great command of his FB but it is “as straight as a rope”. Made me think of Bob Howry who also had no movement on his FB. If the Giants make any waiver trades I would hope they’d get a bat to put on the bench or a catcher that can field AND hit. Don’t get me wrong, Stewart is a thrill to watch with that cannon but his/whiteys ABs are almost always cringe-worthy. The Splash is a joke today, where do all these bandwagoners and trolls come from? Why do these people watch baseball if every loss is reason to flush the season?

    • shaman138 says:

      The Splash is a joke now. Those idiots come out of nowhere to bag on the team and disappear again when they’re winning. It really is like feeding time in the lion’s den when the Giants aren’t doing well and it’s like a phony bryn mawr library in the middle of summer when the team pulls off a win. And all of those morons claim to be “realists”….pathetic bullshit. It’s just trolls and bitchy-ass people who love to complain and be “right” all of the time.

      • Chico says:

        I just went to take a look and decided not to even comment. That blog is dead. I mean, you get shit like this

        5:05 AM on August 24, 2011
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        your sf giants 2013 lineup:



        Then you got Molly and Soph, beatnickbandit and iamwatching.. Top it off with the occasional Jive7 bullshit and I want to punch something.

    • mailorderwife says:

      The “serious” posts are best summarized by:

      1) Why won’t the stupid Giants bring up Brad Pill OMG?;
      2) This idea that some team is dying to give up their best player for Rowand/Zito/Tejada/Lou Seal; and
      3) I told Sabean that we should have gone after Cliff Lee.

      And on top of it all, they all thumbs up their own posts. Who needs it?

      • Chico says:

        That’s what sfgate has turned into.. Everyone running around with 10, 20 different aliases reporting abuse over and over again on comments they don’t like. I don’t comment much on the political crap but I do read the comments sometimes and it’s a flame war. “You had my comment deleted, now I will use my 20 sockpuppets to have yours deleted” Or when a story breaks, someone will post and give them self 20 thumbs ups and it’s freaking obvious.

        I’m sure you remember the old format a little over a year ago.. Comments would get 1000, sometimes 2000 thumbs ups because people would use their sockpuppet accounts, delete history on their pc and keep doing it. Now in order to thumb up, you have to be signed in so it has gotten a little better but that place sucks! Then they got the canadians to moderate their comments and all went to hell. dsgonzale6 and sillyvalley were recently blocked, are you fucking kidding me? Two of the most sensible and honest people there? I warned sfgate a long time ago about the problem but they didn’t listen, which is why we find ourselves on this blog.

  31. Freshtodef80 says:

    The Splash reminds me of Charlie Kelly’s apartment!

  32. Nah…Charlies’ is about the lulz…The Splash is more like an Eeyor convention, anymore…

  33. mailorderwife says:

    Ya know…somewhere in SD, there is some cabbie sweating out the Heath Bell thing because San Francisco is all about lesbians and flowers. True story.

  34. sjnewsreader says:

    hey, a barry bonds sighting!

  35. sjnewsreader says:

    oh crap….timmeh, get it together man. You can get out of this.

  36. Scoop, not ‘ole’…Sando up for the jack?

  37. sjnewsreader says:

    come on base hit here scores a run

  38. sjnewsreader says:

    ugh, was hoping for a double play there

  39. sjnewsreader says:

    ROSS!!!! Let’s score this inning

  40. Chico says:

    Hell of a play by Cabrera. Ross base hit, lets get something started.

  41. mailorderwife says:

    Alright, boys. Let’s get some runs!

  42. sjnewsreader says:


  43. mailorderwife says:

    Ooo what the hell :<

  44. shaman138 says:

    Oh man, what the hell was that??

  45. sjnewsreader says:

    nice short inning. LET’S GO GIANTS!

  46. shaman138 says:

    Finally…a 1-2-3 inning. Looks like Timmeh’s getting into his groove.

  47. Chico says:

    Hello US womens soccer players! We’re proud of you.

  48. shaman138 says:

    Ahh…Amy G interviewing two of the lovely ladies from the US soccer team…both wearing panda hats. Purrrrr.

  49. sjnewsreader says:

    I like the blonde on the left

  50. shaman138 says:

    Damn…that was quick work for the Pudres. I just stopped purring.

  51. mailorderwife says:


  52. shaman138 says:

    I wonder what those two girls are wearing under those panda hats…nudge nudge! ; )

  53. Chico says:

    Back to baseball! Lets go Timmeh.

  54. sjnewsreader says:

    wow, that ball 4 was BS

  55. shaman138 says:

    That pitch was perfect…how was that not called a strike?

  56. sjnewsreader says:

    GO BELTRAN!!! We needed that

  57. Chico says:


  58. mailorderwife says:

    Beltran!!! YAY!

  59. shaman138 says:

    Beltran!!! Finally!

  60. Miss San Diego is laying on my couch groaning behind Beltrans’ jack

  61. shaman138 says:

    Uh oh….the Comcast feed is getting a little sketchy again. I thought only bitter old WBBastards had Comcast problems during Giants leads.

  62. mailorderwife says:

    More runs!

    I wrote something up above but just wanted to reiterate — I am not offended by all the male chatter. As I was reared in quite possibly the strangest hentai country on this planet (read: JAPAN), I am neither repressed nor shocked by anything. Trust me. hehe.

  63. shaman138 says:

    Nice play, Huffster.

  64. shaman138 says:

    Wow…our HORRIBLE signings are rocking this game tonight! Fuck the improvements over next winter.

  65. sjnewsreader says:

    Triple by BELT!!!!

  66. You peeps ever heara those ‘Franks’ RedHot’ commercials on KNBR?…I love the old man n woman that say “I love that S**t”…funny stuff…I just had some homemade hotwings…

    Triple for the kid?…nice

  67. mailorderwife says:

    I liked the bubble he blew going around the basepath.

  68. sjnewsreader says:

    go timmeh!

  69. xoot says:

    This game has been a lot of fun so far. Be a lot more fun if Carlos and Pablo hit some more HRs. Lincecum seems to have set the tone, however. Game 5, Nov. 1, was a tone setter, too. That kid’s amazing.

  70. And these philly cheesesteak commercials are nasty-where is NOW, now?

  71. shaman138 says:

    This game is turning into Room Butthole’s worst nightmare. Poor doomers are crying into their two buck chuck and ripping their huggy bears to shreds.

  72. Chico says:

    Sfwalter aka lord Vlodernont aka beatnickbandit aka jellybean is posting as, get this, “demsrinsane”on the splash..

    Anytime you want to know who is who, ask me.. I’ll be back.

  73. sjnewsreader says:


  74. shaman138 says:

    Damn those Padres!

  75. Gotta hang tight, Gfans…chee-ill

  76. FUCK! Mike Flanagan died!

  77. But dude gets the strike call on a pitch out of the strike zone…go figure this ump

  78. sjnewsreader says:

    alright guys I gotta head to bed. GO GIANTS!

  79. shaman138 says:

    Damnit, this ump is so fucking inconsistent.

  80. Chico says:

    Hmmm.. Sfgate won’t load for me.. Strange.

  81. JDR says:

    Ballgame. New post up soon.

  82. Chico says:


  83. Fugazi says:

    Damn, Lincecum was dealing tonight and Beltran contributes. Its one game but it was a big one.

  84. shaman138 says:

    What a terrific win!

  85. mailorderwife says:

    Exhilarating! NIght, gentlemen. Same bat time tomorrow :>

  86. Chico says:

    A much needed win! Too bad we can’t get on to the gate to see the doomers scurry away.

  87. Not blocked or under investigation…it’s time to reboot ur dsl and ur puter

  88. shaman138 says:

    Holy shit, the Flap is going bonkers again…this time over, uhhh, Timmy’s hitting?? That’s why I like to kick it on this blog now–y’all are cool and mellow. Have a good night, all.

  89. Chico says:

    Ugly, I’m trying to set myself up to have a comment or two deleted by Molly but he’s letting mine stay but reporting your posts.. Told ya he wasn’t just innocent ole’ Molly.. He’s a R-wing Douche bag with umpteen dozen accounts.. Fuckin figures.

    • shaman138 says:

      I’ve completely given up on the poltics blogs of the gate. After reading the shit those assholes had to say about the Oscar Grant incident I was done with that crap and now just stick with the sports pages.

  90. shaman138 says:

    JDR is the blog to be at now. Ths Splash is a joke full of doomers and shit-stains like Molly/Changebama and the Flap is full of savvy but unreasonably pissed-off baseball fans. This blog is cool and mellow with good peeps

    • mailorderwife says:

      Good morning, and I concur!

      But I am also semi-angry this morning, having watched last night’s Franchise. I never liked Zito’s pitching, but now I just think he’s a giant pile of shitbagginess. His comments of how capitalistic societies bred jealous haters = they hate me because I’m rich as opposed to GEE THEY HATE ME BECAUSE I SORT OF SUCK.

      Even my husband, the closet Giants fan who will never own up to it, took about five minutes to tell me of his newfound dislike for Zito. That’s bad, Barry. Bad bad bad.

      • shaman138 says:

        Good morning! Thanks for the heads-up on that…I’ll be sure to not watch that particular episode. Maybe Zito should realize people are pissed at him because most all of them don’t have the luxury of sucking at work and making tons of money for it.

        • mailorderwife says:

          Ooo definitely watch it if you get a chance. The episode is primarily about Mr. and Mrs. Posey, the rehab, the pregnancy and other such things. They’re pretty adorable and young, so it’s worth watching. Not sure why Zito is there, but he gets a lot of airtime for sucking so much.

  91. A1985Mattalac says:

    I have to admit that I have yet to watch an episode of “The Franchise” the main reason being I don’t have Showtime. I’d imagine watching it would also make me want to just watch a live game. The missus and I will tackle them in the offseason why I’m dying of Giants depravation. I’ve really enjoyed this season as it’s been the first I watched entirely in HD. As for Zito I could give a shot what he thinks about anything but did have a good laugh hearing that he thinks something other than his performance creates all the vitriol. Going into the city tonight, unfortunately for a concert and not the game. I wonder if SophJims head would explode if the Giants repeated. Nah, he’d prolly just demand a three peat. Idk about you guys but I report everyone of his and Mollies comments. It might sound petty but I take great satisfaction in having their garbage removed.

  92. sjnewsreader says:

    hmmm, state fair for the cow milking contest or Giants game…I dunno.

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