Baseball News for the Week of 11/18 – 11/24

Sunday, November 24
News
(up. 10:28 a.m.) Per multiple sources, the St. Louis Cardinals has signed Jhonny Peralta.

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Saturday, November 23
News
(up. 4:55 p.m.) Per Comcast Sports, Brian McCann has signed a 5-year deal with the Yankees.

TV Today:
NHL: New Jersey Devils (WB Ryane Clowe!) v. San Jose Sharks – 7:30pm PST/CSN Bay Area
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Friday, November 22
News
(up. 11:51 a.m.) Per Jon Morosi, the St. Louis Cardinals have traded David Freese and Fernando Salas for Peter Bourjos and prospect Randal Grichuk of the Disneyland Angels.
(up. 9:39 a.m.) The Mets have signed OF Chris Young to a 1yr./$7.5m contract.

TV Today:
NBA: Golden State Warriors v. Los Angeles Fakers – 7:30pm PST/ESPN
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Thursday, November 21
San Francisco Giants News
(up. 12:35 p.m.) Per Andrew Boogerly, Javier Lopez will return to the team, pending physical. Details to follow.

News
(up. 5:25 p.m.) Per NESN, David Murphy has signed a 2yr./$12m deal with the Cleveland Skunks.
(up. 1:31 p.m.) Per Kansas City Royals, RHP Jason Vargas has signed a 4yr./$32m contract.

TV Today:
NHL Tampa Bay Humidifiers v. San Jose Sharks – 7:30 pm PST / CSN Bay Area

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Wednesday, November 20
San Francisco Giants News
(up. 8:03 p.m.) Added to the 40-man roster: CF Gary Brown, RHP Kendry Flores, 3B Adam Duvall and RHP Hunter Strickland.
(up. 8:03 p.m.) Guillermo Moscoso has been declared for assignment.
(up. 10:02 a.m.) Per Jon Heyman, Javier Lopez new deal with the Giants (if one should happen, which Heyman suspects in will) should be for 3 years.

News
(up. 8:03 p.m.) Per multiple sources, Prince Fielder will become a Texass Ranger while Ian Kinsler becomes a Detroit Tigger.
(up. 1:20 p.m.) Chris Carpenter has announced his retirement.

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Tuesday, November 19
San Francisco Giants News
(up. 12:27 p.m.) Per Alex Pavlovic, Sabean said he’s banking on Edwin Escobar to be ready soon. The 21-year-old lefty had 2.67 ERA at AA last season
(up. 12:27 p.m.) Per Andrew Boogerly, Javier Lopez and the team are close to signing a deal. Brian Sabean also claims that the team has plenty of money to spend, but have moved past looking towards that Tanaka fellow. While the team’s priority is pitching, they are not looking to off big money/long contract to an FA.

News
(up. 8:24 p.m.) Per Jerry Crasnick, Josh Johnson has signed a 1yr./$8m guaranteed contract with the San Diego Poodres.

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Monday, November 18
San Francisco Giants News
(up. 12:42 p.m.) Per multiple sources, the team is getting close to a deal with Tim Hudson.
(up. 12:42 p.m.) Per MLB Rumors, the team supposedly has offered a 3-year deal to Ricky Nolasco.

News
(up. 1:35 p.m.) Per Ken Rosenthal, Skip Schumaker and the Reds agree on a 2 yr. deal.
(up. 9:35 a.m.) Per Jesse Sanchez (MLB reporter), Omar Vizquel has been hired as first base coach for the Detroit Tigers.
(up. 9:35 a.m.) Per multiple sources, Carlos Ruiz has re-signed with the Phillies for 3yrs/$26m.
(up. 9:35 a.m.) Per MLB Rumors, the NY Yankees have agreed to terms with SS Brendan Ryan.

TV Today:
NFL: New England Patriots v. Carolina Panthers – 5:40 pm PST/ESPN
NBA: Golden State Warriors v. Utah Yazz – 6:00 pm PST/CSN Bay Area

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122 Responses to Baseball News for the Week of 11/18 – 11/24

  1. mailorderwife says:

    (From the previous thread)

    Per Chico:

    Shaman, no worries about Tuesday night.. We’re in the club level, and 30,000 ponchos were recently purchased.. We’ll be fine.

    The play calling today was atrocious. Third and 2 and you run your smallest guy up the middle (James)? Why? WTF is Dixon doing on the bench? That call on the sack on Brees was complete horse shit.. If you can no longer tackle a QB (who has the ball in his hands), then what good is your league? It’s not the same. On our last drive we knew what was coming, but Roman gets fooled again. When the Saints blitzed earlier in the game, the quick slants worked really well. That last drive was brutal knowing that any fan paying attention would have called a different play – at least change it up a bit!! But no.. I’m telling you, we might be better off next year with an new OC–one that isn’t entirely predictable and one that understands how to counter-attack..

    Props to the Defense.. They played well, as usual.. This loss hurt. No sugar coating it.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      Hey, the flip-side to “If you can no longer tackle a QB (who has the ball in his hands), then what good is your league?” is that the NFL and team owners are going to be on the hook for literally $B’s in legal fees, player payouts for injuries sustained, etc., if they don’t start taking care of players differently than they have been since the 1920′s. CTE is the biggest, possibly furthest reaching injury issue ever. Forget steroids. If Pop Warner and HS kids are being documented with CTE, how many NFLers do you suppose are effected?

  2. xoot says:

    Re today’s news: The Great Omar is on his way to becoming a manager. He, along with Cain and, eventually, Lincecum, made those 2005-2008 years bearable. I really enjoyed watching him play. I remember one Orange Friday game vs. the A’s when he stole home just for the hell of it. His jersey glowed in the twilight and the sight of it blazing down the 3B line was terrific. Of course, the Giants lost the game. But Omar put on a show.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Omar was as spectacular an SS as there ever was. Ozzy Smith may have gotten more national attention, but that’s, I suspect, in greater part because the West coast is under-covered when it comes to MLB. I mean, isn’t that why New York has been chosen as the site to review all MLB replay issues in 2014? Certainly, would never expect to see SF (or even smog-choked LA) be assigned as headquarters for MLB Instant Replay Central. Certainly not. Wouldn’t think of it. Omar did put on a show … retiring at the age of 45 – whereas Smith’s career ended at age 41.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        Ya, it’s great that a guy like Viz is getting a shot at coaching in the Bigs. Great base-stealer and super fielder. He’ll do well.

  3. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Latest KNBR rumor – confirmed by MOW’s Andrew “Boogarly” – Tim Hudson has been picked up for two years, 23 million.

  4. mailorderwife says:

    I’m looking for folks to once again help test out a product…the same product that we used for the SJSharks game. This time, we’ll be using it during the SF 49ers game next Monday v. the Washington Redkins. Let me know if you want to participate.

  5. unca_chuck says:

    I’d love to, but:

    a) I might be somewhere not near a computer
    b) I might be too distraught to type through my tears should the game go badly.

    If things work out, I’ll let you know. When is the deadline to join?

  6. Chico says:

    As for MOW’s repost of my post, I was invited to take part in a celebration Tuesday night at AT&T park, and Shaman immediately came to mind because he lives in the city, I find him interesting, (not that I don’t find you interesting),and it would be easy for a city dweller like him to make it to the event.. This is about kids with cancer–something dear to my wife and I (and I’m sure to all of you as well). Blondie and Green Day are performing. Should be a lot of fun! Lets rock it Shaman! Cheers!

    • shaman138 says:

      I’m totally looking forward to this. Should be a great time in spite of my sleep deprived state. Long story short, I have some inconsiderate, asshole neighbors who kept me up half the night by–get this–doing woodworking and carpentry in their backyard at two a.m.. There’s no way to call the cops on them because they’re rich and own tons of property in the neighborhood, and therefore they own the cops, too. Asinine. There’s no need to be doing construction work and keeping the whole block up that late at night. Anyway, time for my 4th cup of coffee…

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Your neighbors – whether rich or poor, it must not matter – are breaking a city ordnance (usually the noise ordnance is set for around 10 P.M.). It is only right to report them … requesting anonymity, of course, so you can still borrow their Porsche whenever you need it to impress your new date. Report the bastards! You’ll be doing the whole neighborhood a service.

      • Chico says:

        2 am? They sound like late-birds like me, although you’d never find me working with wood at 2 am.. I’m an insomniac, not a tweaker, lol.

      • xoot says:

        Years ago we had some neighbors across the street in lower Rockridge who used to bust out of their home at 2 am and start working on their old cars, in the street. The owner of the house had a classic Pontiac GTO that seemed in need of constant repair. Meth was pretty likely. The Oakland cops didn’t much care, and that was back when they were fully staffed.

  7. xoot says:

    On the Hudson signing: The first China Basin stat that jumped out at me was the 52 IP. I thought he would’ve started more than 8 games in SF in his career, but it actually is pretty consistent with his numbers in other NL ballparks outside the eastern division. Then I noticed another detail: 1 HR, total.

    At the other end of the spectrum, The Horse averages 1 HR per 12 1/2 IP at home. (The 2013 spike wasn’t as bad memory may make it seem; he settled down a bit in the second half.)

    Made me think about the Hudson signing from a different angle. He’s a tough, wily vet hungry for PS success, with a huge amount of experience and baseball intelligence. At nearly 60% GBs, average, over his career, he’s also very different than the other starters. (Lincecum, Bumgarner and Vogelsong are all in the mid 40% range, I think.) Seems like adding a GB pitcher to the rotation could be almost as disruptive as a RH/LH mix. (Of course, better make sure Pablo’s in shape, Scutaro’s back is strong and the two Brandons are ready to shine.)

    • Chico says:

      I really like Huddy… Agreed on the position player part. If we’re not upgrading in LF (which it sounds like so far), those guys will all need to have a great season.. Hopefully Sabean has a trick up his sleeve in the winter meetings.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        Stop it! Of course “we” are upgrading in LF!! Think positive or at least hopeful about that “trick” that I too believe Sabean has up his sleeve – even if he too isn’t quite sure which sleeve it is right now. Still, lots of time to pick up Ethier …. :)

  8. Chico says:

    Sounds like Lopez will be back.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Javier is an important puzzle piece to a winning 2014 season, I think. Sabean, still, needs to bolster the bull pen just in case Affeldt remains DL prone.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        In this age of “specialists” I guess a lefty/righty pitcher does have his place. Still, it’s a trip to me how much baseball has changed in the past 35 yrs.

        • shoelessinbearvalley says:

          Yeah. Pitch count has taken over the one time iron horses on the mound, who could pitch a shutout into extra innings when required. Not anymore.

          Speaking of Lefty-Righty … I’m still looking for the new, prototypical Switch-pitching pitcher. You know, the wonder kid, who can pitch RH to an RH batter and then turn around and pitch LH to an LH batter. And, of course, whenever a switch hitter comes to the plate, prototypical wonder would always be a switch ahead of said befuddled batter. Yeah, that would be something to see happen one day, still. I shudder to think the value of his MLB contract.

          • shoelessinbearvalley says:

            Okay, maybe the switch-arming pitcher is still an arm too far at least until bionics completely take over the game sometime in the next millennium …. ;-)

            • unca_chuck says:

              Pablo Sandoval is the closest you’ll find to that. He can throw with both hands, and is a natural lefty.

              But interestingly enough . . .

              http://switchpitching.blogspot.com/2010/10/pablo-sandolav-san-francisco-giants.html

              • sandy32koufax says:

                Cool find, Chuck. Pretty sure shoeless was being sarcastic but who knew there was a blog that has multiple entries on just that subject? There’s more than one entry on ambidextrous mitts for pitchers with that ability and how cool a kid pitched a perfecto in the LLWS that threw L/R.

                • shoelessinbearvalley says:

                  “Sandoval’s hefty frame conceals a natural athleticism; he’s ambidextrous and can throw the ball accurately and with zip as both a lefty and a righty.”

                  Ditto the Great find UC.

                  Which inspired me to look for real life examples of the switch-pitcher. One Yankee minor league example came up in the search – this guy, Pat Vinditte, comes with a bit of a special switch twist: “Pitching right-handed, Venditte induced a pair of groundouts to start the [9th] inning, and Nicholas Giarraputo then singled to center field to keep the game alive. This brought switch-hitter Ralph Henriquez to the plate, and that’s when the fun began.

                  “Henriquez had been swinging left-handed in the on-deck circle, so Venditte switched his glove to his right hand in order to face the 21-year-old backstop. Seeing this, Henriquez instead came to the plate batting from the right side. So, Venditte switched his glove back to his left hand. Henriquez then decided to bat lefty, and Venditte switched his glove yet again. [:)]

                  “And on and on it went. This rather absurd (and highly amusing) game of chicken ultimately led to a prolonged conference between the umpires and coaching staffs of both teams. After much debate, Manriquez was made to bat right-handed against Venditte throwing right-handed. Manriquez then struck out on three pitches to end the game.
                  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080620&content_id=2969030&c_id=mlb

                  And, then at the MLB level, there was Greg Harris, pitching for the Montreal EXpos in his final pro year (1981-1995). Apparently, there are a small handful of other ambidextrous pitchers. And here I was never aware of one, hence, wrong-headedly thought I was on to something more giddy than serious. ;) Thanks for the heads up, Unca Chuck

                • shoelessinbearvalley says:

                  Koufax is not to be fooled. He sees through shoeless transparent ploy to introduce a topic seemingly so outré (to me) and novel that it surely deserved little note. Who woulda thunk the ambidextrous pitcher is actually more than myth? (Certainly not I, but I now stand humbled and corrected! :))

                • sandy32koufax says:

                  I read about those guys when I went to chucks’ link earlier. Campy Campaneris did it too!

  9. xoot says:

    You see the reports that ARod stormed out of his arbitration proceedings in New York, saying that he’s “disgusted” by the proceedings, which he believes are set up to screw him over? He’s bitching about the abitrators selected by mlb and the union. They–or perhaps the head arbitrator, on his own–refused to compel Bud Selig to testify. If ARod’s suspension gets upheld, he’ll sue the union just for the hell of it.

    By contrast, Barry Bonds is starting to look dignified. When mlb and the union had him shut out in 2008 (you know he had a couple years DHing left–and even the A’s wouldn’t touch him), he tried for a while to find a team, but seeing the collusion on the wall, turned his attention to the federal persecution. He’ll always be welcome at China Basin. ARod will never again be welcome at Yankee Stadium and he’s still on their roster.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Good Compare and Contrast on both A-Rod and Bonds. I personally never got caught up in Bonds ‘notorious’ if journalistically surly mannerisms. I just loved watching him play the game like no other in my time. I feel a little extra lucky to have seen him play at now AT&T Park.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        IDK what Arod expects to bring to light by forcing Selig to give testimony. Either way, things aren’t going his way and he is acting every bit the pampered, petulant pro-jock. I used to really like the guy but just after he became a Yankee his shine started to tarnish for me. Then all of the steroid shit started coming out so fuck him. I agree, he prolly will sue just out of spite.

        Hahaha on the “By contrast, Bonds is starting to look…” I can’t ever see that guy as dignified even when compared to Arod. Sorry that’s me but maybe it’s just the fan Dodger thing. He was definitely black-balled as Arod should be.

        • xoot says:

          Bonds was the best player from the the late 80s through 2007.

          • sandy32koufax says:

            Just based on stats, I’d concur on the “from” date but you know how I feel about anyone with steroid ties. Anyone.

            • shoelessinbearvalley says:

              I guess that means you don’t ‘forgive’ Andy Pettitte either? ;)

              • sandy32koufax says:

                Let me put it this way, Gagne, Ramirez, LoDuca and even PIazza don’t get a pass by me for what they did. OTOH, every guy that had the brass to admit to it and move on from using, I can enjoy again. I didn’t like AZ St Bonds, why would I like him later? I appreciated what he brought to the game until about the time he started hitting home runs at an unbelievable clip…too McGwire-Sosa-Gonzales to believe it wasn’t PED assisted for me. Ya, I like Pettite, he came clean.

                Gagne, at first anyway, I thought could have earned those 84 straight saves I bought into it. Why wouldn’t I after growing up with Mike Marshall, right? I couldn’t stand nor would I watch Gagne after it came out that he used PEDs.

                • shoelessinbearvalley says:

                  “OTOH, every guy that had the brass to admit to it and move on from using, I can enjoy again.” Yes. Which explains why Pettitte’s rather courageous confession was so well received and appreciated. So, I guess in resignation, we must come back to Bonds and place that disclaimer, “Best there ever was – in the era of rampant steroids”. And conceivably add another historical footnote for Ruth: “Best there ever was – in the era of rampant bennies (and bootleg liquor)”.

                • xoot says:

                  Petite’s story’s a bit more complicated. He got caught because of the same trainer who ratted on Clemens. Petite’s cooperation nearly put the Rocket in jail; as it is, the HOF’s impossible for the Texas jerk. The real villains in the steroid era were the mlb front office, the owners, the coaching and training staffs, the writers, the union, and the players, in descending order, with most of the guilt toploaded. imo. Expecting a professional athlete to be a saint when everyone else in the business is crooked is too idealistic for me.

                • sandy32koufax says:

                  Exactly, shoeless. I can say that Bonds was the greatest ever, with the caveat you provide, and so was The Babe. I’ve never heard of him being tied to uppers, just booze. I obviously never saw Ruth or anyone from his generation play except in grainy old films and newsreels but Ruth after 1923 starts to look very out of shape, even by the standards of the day. He still did what he did and ya, the game equipment, etc was different and pitchers did throw ridiculous numbers of innings and pitches compared to today. Two guys unmentioned here are Mays and Aaron, check that, Griffy too. Did they? Didn’t they? IDK. I’ve never heard of Griffy being tied, was he named in the Mitch Report?

                  We’ve talked about the roles which those parties played and the order that you hold them accountable. I agree on nearly all of that except for this-what about the guys that didn’t use and either lost roster spots or never got one because they stayed clean? We heard several former MLBers and guys with pretty great minor league stats come out during Seligs’ witch hunt this past season. To a man they said they’d been injured by not using steroids even though it was not discouraged by any authority. I suppose I am that idealistic and you’re well aware of that, cheaters do suck and it should not be rewarded. But hey, that’s me.

                  One last thing, I forgot to add Broxton to my list. And yes, one season Gagne looked like pure corn fed the next, a scarecrow.

              • xoot says:

                I nearly fell off the sofa laughing when I saw Gagne pitching for Boston in the 2007 PS. He was skinny and mild looking, and he walked to the mound like an insurance salesman stepping to the front of the room to deliver a power point presentation. The enormous and insane closer had shrunk in half.

                • shoelessinbearvalley says:

                  I absolutely agree on the point that MLB – not the players – was the most culpable (guilty!) for not only turning a blind eye, but encouraging / fostering steroid use (with the added consequence of harmful abuse). Which again might serve to explain how one can forgive the competitively driven athlete who used and/or abused, while fans need never forgive MLB for setting the table in the first place. (Xoot … not sure why several of your posts come with no “reply” option … is this a software limit on how long a thread runs, or are you able to nix the reply option at the end of a post?)

                • xoot says:

                  yeah, Shoeless, there’s a limit on branching replies. btw, in my descending order argument, which I tediously recycle probably too often, I used to conclude with “fans” after the players. I wonder if that’s true.

  10. shaman138 says:

    So Prince Fielder will waddle on down to Texas in exchange for Ian Kinsler. Not having championships will make a team do strange and interesting things, I guess.

  11. shaman138 says:

    Chico, it turned into Hammer time after I left?? Wow! That was a fun night…I wound up grabbing another beer on the way home and listened to tunes and enjoyed the fragrance yntil 4 a.m………then woke up at 7:30 to go to work, feeling like death. It was agonizing but worth it. Thanks again for hooking it up.

    • Chico says:

      Yeah, I ended up in his hotel room (suite).. Nice guy.. Remember me telling you that Sean Penn was staying there? LOL, looks like he flipped out on some guy in the St Regis lobby where you and I were.. Hilarious.

  12. shoelessinbearvalley says:

    Xoot (to continue your thread), Yeah, I agree that the fan, too, is culpable (guilty! guilty! guilty!), because they (me too, I suppose) loved the ‘rejuvenated’ kind of power hitting / power pitching game. But, then, and I could be wrong, I’m pretty sure the average fan did not equate this rejuvenated kind of power game with steroids. Perhaps, such a fan innocently enough thought it was the lowering of the pitcher’s mound, complemented by a daily regimen of weight lifting by the modern day MLB players. Seriously, the one thing that remains perfectly clear, MLB let it happen and let it go on without making a real effort to put its foot down ’till 2003 to the present. Now, of course, HGH and its genetically modified clones may be ruling the day for many a player – don’t know. As a fan, I try to focus on the players on the field and only hear / learn about the rest peripherally. You’re much more in tune than I with what’s going on in this area of drug enhancement uses and abuses.

    Meanwhile, for the 1 remaining A-Rod fan out there (probably evancampbell?), it looks like his career will be coming to an even more ignominious end than even he imagined with Selig’s refusal to testify. What a waste of a once uber talent.

    • sandy32koufax says:

      I agree. When Canseco, McGwire, etc., started bangin like they were all Maris/Mantle/Foxx/Ruth I was excited as hell. The Atl Braves used to have a commercial with Glavine and Maddox about the long ball being sexy, this was in the 90′s, and it was to me too. Then the Andro reports started coming out. I had no idea what it was but Mac swore it was only some OTC weight-lifting aid to improve his ability to heal quickly after lifting. LIAR! Ya, it did that and it added muscle mass too. Just as the season of MarknSammy ended, I knew I wasn’t a Mac fan anymore. As much a schmuck and all-around tool/opportunist Canseco is, at least he gave it up. Rickey, Ryan, whothefuckknowswhoelse tainted the game for me. Especially Dodger cheats.

      • shoelessinbearvalley says:

        You are probably more fair than I am. I still have a hard time acknowledging Matt Williams – of all Giants players! – using steroid admission. But, I come down hard – unforgiving – on MLB for its early lax policy to encourage use while looking the other way. I’m a bit more understanding and conciliatory towards the athlete ‘gladiator’ sacrificial lambs, who make MLB owners the really Big Time kind of money.

        • sandy32koufax says:

          As a baseball fan I enjoyed Williams. As a Dodgers fan I never wanted him in the lineup, he was dangerous. I blame them both. Both were greedy and thought they saw a way to bring MLB back into peoples living rooms, by juicing. It worked and everyone made buckets of cash. And some are sick due to PEDs. There are several other issues but the biggest is the “Game Of Shadows” image in so many peoples’ minds.

          • shoelessinbearvalley says:

            Yes, aside from the potential long term side effects of steroid use, the one who was hurt the most was, perhaps, the overly idealistic if not altogether innocent fan.

            • sandy32koufax says:

              The game did. I mean, don’t you still about someone doing something uber spectacular and have the thought, at some point, pop into your head? I do.

              • shoelessinbearvalley says:

                Yeah – which is why it’s almost impossible to separate the game from the fan and vice versa in pro sports. Without the fan, the pro game would cease to exist.

  13. shaman138 says:

    Damn, you guys are killing me over on the Splash! My co-workers are wondering why I’m laughing so hard today. I don’t “gknow” why Wayne B. Bad even bothers anymore, unless it’s just for some masochistic kicks or something. He sure loves the abuse, I guess.

    • xoot says:

      He’s a laughable kind of guy. He actually wrote this for one of his publisher’s webpages:

      “I once described New York, compared with Buenos Aires, as ‘the city that takes a nap’—Buenos Aires is a 24-hour city with enormous energy. But it’s also a city of neighborhoods where you can establish relationships with local shops and merchants—when I walk to the corner newsstand, the proprietor sees me and has my paper waiting before I even get close enough to speak to him.”

      Just imagine that news vendor thinking, Oh, shit, here comes Homer Hemmingway Borges. Maybe if I just hand him his usual paper he’ll keep walking.

  14. unca_chuck says:

    For me it was the hiding in plain sight kind of thing. I was pissed by the lockout as it ruined Matt Williams shot at the HR title. The GIants were doing well before the lockout, and cratered til 97. I didn’t give a shit, but it didn’t take too much to understand a sea-change in the game. Banjo hitters went from single-digit home runs to big numbers. When Brady Anderson went from 16 HRs to 52, it was like, yeah, this is the natural course of evolution.

    Right.

    McGwire went from a skinny rookie to Popeye in 3 years. WIll Clark looked the same as he did when he came up. That was the big outlier to me as no one worked harder than WIll Clark at the game of baseball. McGwire gained like 50 lb of muscle, Clark looked the same. Throw Canseco into the mix and there you have it. The leading edge of the steroid era. The pisser is it came at the expense of the Giants and their late 90s – early aughts run.

    The other big problem is Vincent wanted to in front of the steroid issue back in the early 90s but was voted out of the job. Ol’ used car Bud let it ride until is was blatantly obvious more than half the league was juicing.

    • xoot says:

      The Mitchell Report chapter on the A’s describes Canseco and a buddy being detained at the Detroit airport because they were packing a gun and steroids. The buddy claimed possession, but he couldn’t explain what the drugs were. (At one point, he admitted to a journalist that he lied about the drugs being his.) (See Mitchell Report, pp. 63-64.) This was in January 1989. C.W. Nevius published an article about it in the Chron in March 1989, when the buddy’s case went to court. (As I recall, Nevius somehow defended steroid use on the ground that mlb didn’t prohibit it.)

      The A’s management (Alderson, LaRussa) knew that Canseco was a roider when they brought him up. His reputation was infamous. The A’s drafted him in the 15th round in 1982. In 1984, for the Modesto Nuts, he hit 15 HRs in 116 games. In 1985, for two minor league teams, he hit 36 HRs in 118 games and then in Sept. 5 HRs in 29 mlb games. And suddenly in 1986 he was a power-hitting ROY mlb stud.

      The A’s in 1988 and 1989 launched it all. Bart Giamatti died before he could stop it. Fay Vincent didn’t have the strength alone to do anything before the owners’ coup that installed Selig. The strike came. Etc.

  15. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, I thought Giamatti was prepared to do something before he croaked, but I wasn’t sure. I know it was a big priority for Faye.

    What I meant to say is the roiding came at the expense of the Giants late 80s run. By the late 90s, it was wholesale juicing.

  16. Chico says:

    It’s about time democrats grew some fucking balls. Hell yeah!

  17. sandy32koufax says:

    2014 OLYMPIC TEAM TRIALS FOR CURLING IS ON RIGHT NOW!

    CSNBA!!!

    • xoot says:

      Ha! I saw that when I turned the tv on. It was still at that channel because of last night’s Warriors game. Guess I turned the set off with some annoyance. Anyway, I’d say the next edition of the calendar has a few good candidates.

      as to the Warriors game, htf does a team go 62-62 against the Thunder at half time and 75-75 against the Grizzlies at the end of the fucking fourth quarter? True, Curry was out with his bobblehead concussion. But they won’t go far in the playoffs if they’re always reacting to the other team’s pace.

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      Don’t laugh! :) I’ve got a friend back in Oregon, who loves curling almost as much as Reid ending the never ending filibusters on executive judicial nominations.

    • xoot says:

      holy shit, the woman from Anchorage got excited about curling because it allowed her to travel and these Olympic trials are in Fargo? Christopher Guest needs to take a look at women’s curling.

      • sandy32koufax says:

        But comon, she’s from Anchorage. You’ve been to Anchorage!

        • xoot says:

          I spent a lot of time in Anchorage. My older kid was born there. I love Alaska. But growing up there gives people an unusual view of the world. You know–like the wingnut from Wasilla who thought she could see see Russia from her kitchen window.

          • sandy32koufax says:

            I love Alaska too but I know I’d never live there. A buddy of mine moved up there the year we got out of HS, still lives there. I visited him in ’83 and man had he changed. Very “cosmopolitan fisherman.” Kinda weird to me.

  18. sandy32koufax says:

    Ya, the Thunder won by a point but they lose to the Griz? PS hoops might be good to them if they’re healthy they’ll go deep.

    That Canuck lady I know sent a text about curling being on CBCA or some such. She’s rabid for stones ;-)

    I didn’t see that calendar before you linked it at the splash, sexy women. Kinda glam jock rodeo but hot. Fargo is supposed to be semi cool. Not really

    • shoelessinbearvalley says:

      The most beautiful – or more enjoyable – aspects to women’s Olympic curling that I’ve noted, is observing the intense focus and incredible concentration witness on the face of the lead as she delivers the stone down the sheet of ice. There’s more concentration packed in a curler’s features than anything I’ve ever seen in tennis, golf, or any other sport with the possible exception of an MLB closer with 2 outs in the 9th, bases loaded, and a 3-2 count ….

      • sandy32koufax says:

        These babes are intense. IDK, what the blonde in the green jacket and black pants name is but hey! Ya, reminds you of a kids playing mibs intense…tongue sticking and all.

  19. mailorderwife says:

    Shoeless – Did you get the invite to the chat? If so, can you join the group? Thanks!

  20. Chico says:

    Shaman, if you think the Splash is hilarious (which it is), take a peek at the drumbeat. Three Giants fans are taking A’s fans to task..

    It looks like the Harvard debate team vs the Oklahoma debate team.

    • shaman138 says:

      Good analogy–those guys are truly juvenile and dumb. And deeply bitter and envious. That 3-homer Pablo game vs. Verlander really drove them nuts, it seems. I’d actually argue that they don’t need Giants fans or anybody else to make themselves look stupid–it just comes naturally. And Wayne B. Bastardo needs serious help.

  21. mailorderwife says:

    I’m off to the Bay Area from Thanksgiving to the following Monday. Will be saying goodbye to the ‘Stick as we watch the 49ers play against the Rams. Too bad there is a football field to obstruct memories of Willie McCovey and his swing. If you guys can post MLB updates to this blog, it would be amazing.

    • xoot says:

      Now that sounds like a great T’giving vacation. Have fun! I’ll post what I see. Chico knows how to get under the hood, too.

  22. Chico says:

    Two Saturdays ago, ER with my son. Last Saturday, ER with my daughter. Today, my son came down with a stomach bug and has puked at least 8 times.. My Tigers got whooped last night, Cal gets throttled in the big game and. . . . . frack!

  23. unca_chuck says:

    Just wait til they start driving, and decide to stay out all night. . . .

    Seriously though. Keep giving him water. My daughter ended up in the ER she got so dehydrated with the flu. She passed out on the way back from the bathroom and I was just lucky enough to catch her as she was going down. Her lips started turning blue so I called the paramedics and they IVed her and she ended up in the hospital for 6 hours.

    • Chico says:

      That’s scary. Glad you found her in time Chuck. He’s doing bette. Pedyalite popsicles and a little bit of rice and he held them both down towards the end of the night. Thanks buddy.

  24. Chico says:

    Whenever a war is proposed or you hear the drumbeats, please question everything about the proposed war before making a decision whether you are for it or not. I lost a good friend today. Mike was the kind of guy who would give you the shirt off of his back, even if he didn’t know you. He was a loving and caring guy. Extremely smart, funny as hell and was a joy to be around. We’d hang out at the beach, chill some beers, smoke pot, and wink at the ladies. We’d just talk about life when were were younger. He was just a good overall dude. Everyone here knows people like this–people they absolutely adore and would do anything for. Mike was one of those people.

    And then came the wars and he changed. He was different. I’d see him at the fog fest and we’d hang out, but something was missing. He seemed pre-occupied in his own mind, like he was having mental issues, and I offered to help but he would just say ‘you have no idea’.. I’d tell him to try me and he would say ‘you have no idea’. I’d say Mike, WTF are you talking about I have no idea.. What is wrong with you!?! Then, I found out through a mutual friend that he was suffering from PTSD.. We lost touch for years.. I then read an article one day about a Veteran who was going through PTSD, who had made his way back into a somewhat normal lifestyle. One day last year near Christmas time I was walking into Safeway and ran into him. He seemed happy again. We talked for over an hour in Safeway and he told me that he was going to school back east, and that for the most part, he had gotten on top of what was plaguing him for so long. He had twins (boy and girl just like me). Was recently married to a new wife from the east coast where he was going to school and was really on top if the world, it seemed.

    I’m sorry for venting here, but facebook isn’t the right venue for that for various reasons and I thought you should all get a chance to meet Mike, because you would have loved him. He was infectious.

    Here’s the article from 2011 about him. I think you can tell how he felt about the wars. http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/PTSD-recovery-began-when-vet-hit-bottom-2370029.php#page-1

    Another article on him. http://www.swords-to-plowshares.org/2011/07/21/profile-of-courage-mike-hofler/

    Here’s one of his more recent posts on facebook.

    Never blame the troops, blame the politicians and god dammit, take care of them when they get home. Before any sitting president decided to send troops into the battlefield, Mike’s story as well as thousands and thousands of others should be required reading BEFORE going to war. Fuck the military industrial complex, and fuck the politicians who send them into wars without knowing the long-term risks of Americans as well as our counterparts. I understand that when you sign up to serve, that you are taking on risks, risks that eventually turned my friends life into a nightmare. Mike knew them too but desperately needed work at the time. If only he could have turned back time and made a different decision.. If only. He was never the same after serving our country. RIP brother.

    • mailorderwife says:

      I’m so sorry for your loss. I wish he had more time to make it out of that eternal war that seemed to conflict him.

      I live not too far from the Ronald Reagan Library, in an area that is very gung ho conservative and proud of its SUPPORT OUR TROOPS stickers. They vote for politicians who couldn’t cut down funding or bring to end the existence of so many Veterans’ benefits — medical care, jobs helps, mental health, welfare, food stamps (the list is endless, isn’t it?) I prefer no war, but I am a pacifist.

      War has always been far away to Americans. Aside from the Civil War and other battles over states, Pearl Harbor, 9/11 and the Boston bombing, we have been largely immune to the pain of watching our homes burn, whole families bombed and destroyed, watching blood run down our streets or the stress of waiting for the All Clear. Sometimes I wonder how the American mindset would change if we actually suffered through the true horrors of war. Perhaps it would make us more reflective of humanity, and wonder why we allow the government to haul off the best of us to die in places so far away. We wave our flags and sing “God Bless America”, but war no longer requires that we ration sugar or have a victory garden. Returning soldiers line the streets, downtrodden and asking for money, and all some people can do is go on about how PEOPLE JUST WANT FREE THINGS. wtf.

    • xoot says:

      My father grew up in a huge family on a farm in Appalachia. Three of his older brothers joined the military in WWII and sent their checks home. When my father turned 18, he quit HS (he was boarding at the famous school in Berea) and joined. He told me that after boot camp, when they boarded the troop ship in Brooklyn, he trudged past two armed guards on the dock and up the ramp, and about half-way to the ship realized why the guards were down there. He got wounded in Europe, not too seriously, and the war ended soon afterward. Still, he always changes the subject when my kids ask him about that war. He was the same way with me. One of his older brothers died in Europe; another came home “shell shocked”–PTSD–and never did a damn thing with the rest of his life. Because of the money the older boys sent home, however, the entire family moved out of the boonies and the four youngest kids all went to college at Berea.

      Strangest thing: My father and one of his brothers stayed in the military, because it was a steady job. (And–what the hell–the war was over, right?) My dad became an expert fighter-jet mechanic and as part of the Cold War chess game we got moved to a new base every year as the generals tried to keep the Soviets off balance. One good thing about that life was the diversity of my friends, classmates and teammates–many African Americans became sergeants in the peace-time military for the same reason my dad rode it out. Some Latinos, too. And a lot of kids had Asian mothers. (We were the proletariat on base; the officers’ kids, with their family horses and luxury cars and fancy clothes, were the bourgeoisie.) Another good thing was the close view of the military. I was never going to get twisted up in that shit–even when my Viet Nam era draft lottery number came up 45 (they went way past 100 that year). A student deferment kept me in the U.S.

      After college, when I started bumming around the western hemisphere and working when I had to, I met many Viet Nam vets who were flat out crazy as a result of the war. I noticed, however, that former officers generally weren’t so insane as former grunts. The enlisted guys, the real cannon fodder, often had no control over anything when they were in Viet Nam, and many of them never recovered from the trauma. Horrible the way they’ve been treated at home, in general. With that recent history as example, the abuse our “War on Terror” soldiers have suffered is just inexcusable. Welcome to the American dream.

  25. mailorderwife says:

    Pitcher Brad Ziegler had this to say about the Jhonny Peralta signing: “It pays to cheat…Thanks, owners, for encouraging PED use.”

  26. filthychangeup says:

    Chico, my condolences for your loss and the ailments that have complicated your life, keep that chin up because this too shall pass.

    The Aroid thing isn’t worth my time. Is there a less-accountable pro athlete out there? I don’t think so. Gotta love Ziegler’s quote though, way to tell it like it is.

    Do we have a pool on how long before Chron pulls the plug on Viafucked? The mobile version is worse than desktop, if that’s even possible. How could you sign off on a format that makes reading comments more ridiculous. I applied for a job at the Chron a couple years back, glad I didn’t get it.

    I still get my jollies running circles around Wayne and the aaa’s trolls. Do they not realize how transparent they are or do these just not care?

  27. filthychangeup says:

    Another game ends in an OT tie?!?! Boooo NFL, boooo!

  28. Chico says:

    So, all of the old accounts are now unblocked.. That place is fucked up!

  29. mailorderwife says:

    If any of you are going to participate in tonight’s live 49er chat, please come to the my.groupolo.gy website and come to the San Jose Sharks room. Look forward to you, and make sure to use Chrome!

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